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Refsmitty Wed Aug 22, 2012 03:06pm
What ya got?
 
A84 catches the pass while airborn in the EZ 1 yard deep. While airborn he is driven from the zone to the one yard line where he comes down and completes the catch. Touchdown?

APG Wed Aug 22, 2012 03:37pm
Touchdown

Welpe Wed Aug 22, 2012 04:11pm
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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 852354)
Touchdown
Fed yes. NCAA, not that simple but I'm guessing Smitty isn't asking about NCAA. :cool:

tow Wed Aug 22, 2012 06:16pm
Forward progress is into end zone,td.

BktBallRef Wed Aug 22, 2012 07:12pm
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Originally Posted by tow (Post 852366)
Forward progress is into end zone,td.
...which means that if A84 is carried OOB and judged that he would have landed inbounds, it's still a catch and a TD. But you better whistle the play dead before he lands OOB to signal that forward progress was stopped.

tomes1978 Wed Aug 22, 2012 08:46pm
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Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 852369)
...which means that if A84 is carried OOB and judged that he would have landed inbounds, it's still a catch and a TD. But you better whistle the play dead before he lands OOB to signal that forward progress was stopped.
I disagree, the new rules states that the official no longer has to judge if the receiver was going to land in bounds or not. If he is pushed and lands OOB it is an incomplete catch.

mbyron Wed Aug 22, 2012 08:52pm
7.5.4i

JugglingReferee Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:09pm
Canadian Ruling
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Refsmitty (Post 852346)
A84 catches the pass while airborn in the EZ 1 yard deep. While airborn he is driven from the zone to the one yard line where he comes down and completes the catch. Touchdown?
CANADIAN RULING:

Touchdown.

mbyron Thu Aug 23, 2012 07:09am
Quote:
Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 852378)
7.5.4i
Sorry, that should have been 7.5.4G, a new case play for 2012.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 2012 NFHS Football Case Book
*7.5.4 SITUATION G: A8, in B’s end zone, leaps in the air to catch a pass and is contacted by B2 forcing A8 to come down inbounds on B’s 1-yard line where he is downed.

RULING: Touchdown, since A8’s forward progress was stopped over B’s end zone by B2’s contact. Even though the catch was not made until A8 came down inbounds, his forward progress was stopped by B2’s contact resulting in A *possessing the live ball in its opponent’s end zone, hence, a touchdown.

HLin NC Thu Aug 23, 2012 08:49am
TD

Unless, apparently, you are in Ohio or Alabama.

mbyron Thu Aug 23, 2012 11:13am
Quote:
Originally Posted by HLin NC (Post 852390)
TD

Unless, apparently, you are in Ohio or Alabama.
C'mon, man, keep up! Ohio is on board with all the new case plays now!

Edited to add: :D

HLin NC Thu Aug 23, 2012 01:30pm
Oh ok
<head shake thingy>

bisonlj Sun Aug 26, 2012 10:25pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by tomes1978 (Post 852377)
I disagree, the new rules states that the official no longer has to judge if the receiver was going to land in bounds or not. If he is pushed and lands OOB it is an incomplete catch.
You are correct if using the term "pushed" out. The new rule still allows for some a catch if someone is "carried" out. This is similar to the college rule. The philosophy however is the defender had better grab the player, throw him over his shoulder, take several steps, and then dump the receiver out of bounds in order to get the benefit of forward progress. In other words it is extremely unlikely to happen and it had better be huge and obvious if you are going to call it.

BktBallRef Sun Aug 26, 2012 11:29pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by tomes1978 (Post 852377)
I disagree, the new rules states that the official no longer has to judge if the receiver was going to land in bounds or not. If he is pushed and lands OOB it is an incomplete catch.

I'm afraid you're mistaken. Forward progress is a different animal. Read 7.5.4G.

mbyron Mon Aug 27, 2012 04:35am
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Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 852580)
I'm afraid you're mistaken. Forward progress is a different animal. Read 7.5.4G.
And 4.3.3B, both new case plays for 2012 that reflect the new rule and philosophy.

bkdow Mon Sep 10, 2012 12:06pm
If he is driven out of the end zone back into the field of play, Touchdown. If he were driven out of bounds, then incomplete pass.

As mentioned, the exception is if the defender catches him, throws him on his back, and luggs him out of bounds like Santa Claus.


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