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georgia51 Thu Jul 26, 2012 06:44pm

Football goal post color requirements
 
What colors are you allowed to paint high school football goal posts per IHSA rules.

HLin NC Thu Jul 26, 2012 08:07pm

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paint which is recommended to be either silver, white or yellow in color.

JRutledge Thu Jul 26, 2012 09:41pm

Just to clarify.
 
The rule was stated correctly. The IHSA uses in all sports National Federation Rules. There are no such thing as "IHSA Rules" per say.

Peace

CT1 Fri Jul 27, 2012 05:51am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 850035)
There are no such thing as "IHSA Rules" per se.

Peace

Illinois doesn't use any of the "by state adoption" options?

bigjohn Fri Jul 27, 2012 08:26am

So they can be any color? I am pretty sure recommendations are not regulations, correct?:confused:

CT1 Fri Jul 27, 2012 09:19am

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Originally Posted by bigjohn (Post 850062)
So they can be any color? I am pretty sure recommendations are not regulations, correct?:confused:

Correct -- you can go ahead and paint yours pink and not break any rules.

Robert Goodman Fri Jul 27, 2012 10:17am

Can they be barber pole striped, as was the fad at one time? How about a little mark in the middle of the crossbar, as is favored in rugby? Do both goals have to be painted the same?

bigjohn Fri Jul 27, 2012 11:00am

I have seen many painted orange. We have a lot of orange and black teams in our area and some have orange goal posts. We are orange and black but have white posts.

CT1 Fri Jul 27, 2012 11:01am

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Originally Posted by Robert Goodman (Post 850085)
Can they be barber pole striped, as was the fad at one time? How about a little mark in the middle of the crossbar, as is favored in rugby? Do both goals have to be painted the same?

Here's the rule:

"The horizontal crossbar and the uprights above it shall be free from anv
decorative material except paint which is recommended to be either silver,
white or yellow in color. One wind directional streamer may be attached to
the top of each upright. Wind directional streamers shall be 4 inches in
width, 42 inches in length and either red, orange, or yellow in color."

waltjp Fri Jul 27, 2012 11:59am

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Originally Posted by bigjohn (Post 850062)
So they can be any color?

I'd go with tiger-striped!

JRutledge Fri Jul 27, 2012 02:02pm

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Originally Posted by CT1 (Post 850050)
Illinois doesn't use any of the "by state adoption" options?

That is not relevant to what I was saying. I just think people need to realize that the National Federation makes rules and states choose to follow them. Not that this is unique to our state, but many people say, "IHSA Rules" when they are referring to NF Rules.

Peace

CT1 Fri Jul 27, 2012 05:11pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 850130)
That is not relevant to what I was saying.

Of course it is. The OP wanted to know what colors goal posts could be painted IN ILLINOIS. *I* don't know what Illinois allows that might be outside the NFHS standard.

Saying only that "(t)he IHSA uses in all sports National Federation Rules" implies that they use NFHS with no modifications.

JRutledge Fri Jul 27, 2012 05:39pm

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Originally Posted by CT1 (Post 850165)
Of course it is. The OP wanted to know what colors goal posts could be painted IN ILLINOIS. *I* don't know what Illinois allows that might be outside the NFHS standard.

Saying only that "(t)he IHSA uses in all sports National Federation Rules" implies that they use NFHS with no modifications.

Can you name any modifications? I certainly cannot.

And what is in the rulebook is the standard. States have the right to define how some rules are interpretation or if there is a policy that might be used, but this certainly does not apply to the color of the goal posts. For example there is a policy for concussions that we must follow, but the rules are not modified to accomplish that policy. The rules only deal with what is defined to allow a player come back into play. And that policy did not modify any NF rule to create a policy. If we identify a player that has concussion-like-symptoms, we still remove them from the game.

Maybe you can help me remember, but I do not know of not a single NF Rule in football that we do not apply across the board in Illinois.

Peace

waltjp Fri Jul 27, 2012 08:57pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 850173)
Can you name any modifications? I certainly cannot.

Overtime?

Point differential?

JRutledge Fri Jul 27, 2012 09:11pm

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Originally Posted by waltjp (Post 850184)
Overtime?

Point differential?

Are those modifications are state adopted rules (under NF Rulebook)?

Peace

BktBallRef Fri Jul 27, 2012 09:55pm

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Originally Posted by CT1 (Post 850165)
Saying only that "(t)he IHSA uses in all sports National Federation Rules" implies that they use NFHS with no modifications.

No it doesn't. It means they use NFHS and do not write their own rule books.

Of course, you already knew that.

waltjp Fri Jul 27, 2012 11:30pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 850187)
Are those modifications are state adopted rules (under NF Rulebook)?

Peace

FED Overtime procedure states that the ball is placed on the 10 yard line, and there is no provision in FED rules for a change to timing rules or game termination due to point differentials. If your state is starting from other than the 10 yard line for OT, or making special rules depending on point differential then your state has adopted modifications.

JRutledge Sat Jul 28, 2012 02:08am

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Originally Posted by waltjp (Post 850197)
FED Overtime procedure states that the ball is placed on the 10 yard line, and there is no provision in FED rules for a change to timing rules or game termination due to point differentials. If your state is starting from other than the 10 yard line for OT, or making special rules depending on point differential then your state has adopted modifications.

No, my state uses the same listed OT procedure that is in the rulebook.

I was only trying to make the point that the IHSA does not create their own rulebook. That was it. :rolleyes:

Peace

Adam Sat Jul 28, 2012 01:07pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 850205)
No, my state uses the same listed OT procedure that is in the rulebook.

I was only trying to make the point that the IHSA does not create their own rulebook. That was it. :rolleyes:

Peace

Even I knew what you meant.

jchamp Tue Jul 31, 2012 02:36pm

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Originally Posted by CT1 (Post 850095)
Here's the rule:

"The horizontal crossbar and the uprights above it shall be free from anv
decorative material except paint which is recommended to be either silver,
white or yellow in color. One wind directional streamer may be attached to
the top of each upright. Wind directional streamers shall be 4 inches in
width, 42 inches in length and either red, orange, or yellow in color."

Since the rule does not specify that only one color of paint be used, and does permit paint to be used as a decorative material (it is listed as the exception to decorative materials), and since the colors are listed as recommendations and not required colors (note the difference in verbiage compared to the wind streamers) then I would have to agree that barber poles, tiger stripes, checkerboards, or digital camouflage meet the requirements, if not the intent, of the rule. If people get carried away, I could see a change being made. But painting the goalposts any single team color shouldn't be an issue, as long as it can be easily seen against whatever background is present.

Robert Goodman Tue Jul 31, 2012 06:13pm

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Originally Posted by jchamp (Post 850626)
Since the rule does not specify that only one color of paint be used, and does permit paint to be used as a decorative material (it is listed as the exception to decorative materials), and since the colors are listed as recommendations and not required colors (note the difference in verbiage compared to the wind streamers) then I would have to agree that barber poles, tiger stripes, checkerboards, or digital camouflage meet the requirements, if not the intent, of the rule. If people get carried away, I could see a change being made. But painting the goalposts any single team color shouldn't be an issue, as long as it can be easily seen against whatever background is present.

The candy cane, etc. stuff was done I believe in the belief that it would make the posts stand out more, not as camouflage.

jchamp Thu Aug 02, 2012 10:13am

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Originally Posted by Robert Goodman (Post 850654)
The candy cane, etc. stuff was done I believe in the belief that it would make the posts stand out more, not as camouflage.

I don't doubt it. But that's also why we tend towards a single color now--we understand more about how the brain works now. Including that the more information that gets fed into a human brain, the less it is able to properly handle tasks that should be routine. That's why camouflage works, road signs are as simple as possible, and using the blink tag on the internet can get you attacked by layout nazis.

Texas Aggie Thu Aug 02, 2012 03:40pm

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Saying only that "(t)he IHSA uses in all sports National Federation Rules" implies that they use NFHS with no modifications.
Not only a false statement, but absurd. I don't know about football, but Federation has state association adoptions for several things in basketball -- coaches box and ball size for jr. high boys to name two. Nobody would ever care about the latter. If a state did, for example, allow a ball size difference for jr. high, are you seriously saying that the COMPLETE sentence, "(state) uses Federation rules for basketball" is untrue?


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