AFC Championship - was that a TD?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

What does this mean? Survive the hit or ground?

Exactly what it says. You cannot get hit immediately and the ball pop out. You cannot hit the ground immediately and the ball pop out. There was a very good reason the Calvin Johnson play was ruled the way it was. It has nothing to do with steps and feet if you cannot display you have control. No cheap catches or interceptions.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Exactly what it says. You cannot get hit immediately and the ball pop out. You cannot hit the ground immediately and the ball pop out. There was a very good reason the Calvin Johnson play was ruled the way it was. It has nothing to do with steps and feet if you cannot display you have control. No cheap catches or interceptions.

Peace

So, what defines "immediately" if not feet or steps? What do you have to do to be considered in control?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

So, what defines "immediately" if not feet or steps? What do you have to do to be considered in control?

I honestly do not know if there is a definition for what you consider immediate. But usually the thought process is to make a "football move." If you are not ready to run up field, you are not going to award a cheap catch. For the laymen, turn up field as if you are going to run for more yardage after you have displayed control. If you cannot do that, then it is an incomplete pass even if it takes place in the end zone. This is done to not have cheap catch-fumble players as well. They would not have called that play a catch and fumble at the 50, so it is not a catch in the end zone.

peace

[zm1283]

The better question is why was Vernon Davis flagged for his TD celebration in the NFC game for standing on the TV camera stand? Why is jumping into the stands legal, but that is not? What is the difference? He didn't have the ball or use it for a prop either.

[zm1283]

And by the way, I think the way the NFL rules are written/enforced are ridiculous when it comes to completing a catch (Like the Calvin Johnson catch last year), but the play in the OP from today was not even close to being a catch IMO.

[bisonlj]

Originally Posted by zm1283

And by the way, I think the way the NFL rules are written/enforced are ridiculous when it comes to completing a catch (Like the Calvin Johnson catch last year), but the play in the OP from today was not even close to being a catch IMO.

You can thank instant replay for that. It has been a positive overall for the NFL but it has also made some rules or their interpretations become way too technical. This is an example. I prefer leaving this up to the judgement of the covering official on whether the receiver had control. When you go to frame by frame analysis of the catch in slow motion the interpretations have to become much more technical.

The same thing will happen in baseball when they eventually want to review every tag on a runner or the turn at 2nd base on a double play. They will get very technical on those rules as well.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by bisonlj

I prefer leaving this up to the judgement of the covering official on whether the receiver had control.

I may be wrong but replay didn't overturn this call, correct?

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by zm1283

The better question is why was Vernon Davis flagged for his TD celebration in the NFC game for standing on the TV camera stand? Why is jumping into the stands legal, but that is not? What is the difference? He didn't have the ball or use it for a prop either.

The Lambeau Leap was grandfathered in.

Using a camera stand wasn't.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

The Lambeau Leap was grandfathered in.

Using a camera stand wasn't.

This.

As far as the incomplete, I wouldn't have a catch under NCAA either.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

The Lambeau Leap was grandfathered in.

Using a camera stand wasn't.

Ridiculous. One team gets to keep their "tradition", but everyone else gets penalized.

[canuckrefguy]

Originally Posted by zm1283

Ridiculous. One team gets to keep their "tradition", but everyone else gets penalized.

Just another reason to hate the Packers

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by zm1283

Ridiculous. One team gets to keep their "tradition", but everyone else gets penalized.

There are several "celebrations" that are grandfathered-in -- it's not just the Lambeau leap.

[canuckrefguy]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

They would not have called that play a catch and fumble at the 50, so it is not a catch in the end zone.

This part makes a tonne of sense in explaining the call.