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parepat Wed Jan 04, 2012 02:54pm

Opening Kickoff: Ohio State Florida
 
Did anyone see this play? Ohio State kicks off. Ball touches initially at the 3; takes a bounce and touches in the endzone (on the GL); from there it bounces back into the field of play and out of bounds at the 1. No Florida (or Ohio State) player ever touched the ball.

mbyron Wed Jan 04, 2012 03:46pm

What was the ruling, and was it correct?

parepat Wed Jan 04, 2012 04:40pm

The ruling was free kick out of bounds-ball at 40. I thought it should be touchback (ball touched in end zone untouched by the receiving team). Anyone have an opinion?

TXMike Wed Jan 04, 2012 07:31pm

They did not show a replay so all we have is the one initial look. It is very close to the GL to be sure. Normally I would say that we defer to the guys in position to make the call. Unfortunately, for some unexplained reason, we had nobody on the GL. The L appeared to have been there but for some reason drifted along the sideline towards the end line. He started coming back to the GL but when it would have hit the GL he was not yet there on the GL. The R was deep and never got all the way up to the GL before that critical moment.

Hooah30 Wed Jan 04, 2012 11:28pm

Not to hijack the thread, but the craziest call in that game was when they awarded Ohio State the fumble recovery when the ball was never recovered when the ball was live. On the last replay, audio was included and the ball was still loose (and had been for awhile) when the whistle was blown. I believe the review proved it to be a fumble what there was by no means an immediate recovery or any recovery at all for that matter.

mbyron Thu Jan 05, 2012 05:50am

Quote:

Originally Posted by parepat (Post 810527)
The ruling was free kick out of bounds-ball at 40. I thought it should be touchback (ball touched in end zone untouched by the receiving team). Anyone have an opinion?

The play is the opening kickoff, about :40 into the (11-minute) video.

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JasonTX Thu Jan 05, 2012 11:29pm

If you pause the video at :49 it is very close to the goalline. Without seeing this from an better angle I would have to go with the call on the field. Even being where he was lined up at he should still be able to tell if the ball touched the goalline.

Robert Goodman Fri Jan 06, 2012 12:10am

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Originally Posted by JasonTX (Post 810969)
If you pause the video at :49 it is very close to the goalline. Without seeing this from an better angle I would have to go with the call on the field. Even being where he was lined up at he should still be able to tell if the ball touched the goalline.

He might not have had the best conceivable view, but it looks like he had a damn good one. Had he been on the field-of-play side of the GL, he might've been screened out by the ball itself as to whether it hit the GL, but where he was he would've seen if there was space between the point where the ball hit and the stripe.

In NCAA, does the ball have to touch ground that is behind the front of the goal line to be dead (if an untouched free kick)? Or does the ball merely have to touch the ground and be in the end zone (i.e. part of the ball that's off the ground) simultaneously? If the latter, then he really would have needed a view on the goal line extended to make a close call; if the former, then his view was easily adequate.

JasonTX Fri Jan 06, 2012 02:26pm

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Originally Posted by Robert Goodman (Post 810982)
He might not have had the best conceivable view, but it looks like he had a damn good one. Had he been on the field-of-play side of the GL, he might've been screened out by the ball itself as to whether it hit the GL, but where he was he would've seen if there was space between the point where the ball hit and the stripe.

In NCAA, does the ball have to touch ground that is behind the front of the goal line to be dead (if an untouched free kick)? Or does the ball merely have to touch the ground and be in the end zone (i.e. part of the ball that's off the ground) simultaneously? If the latter, then he really would have needed a view on the goal line extended to make a close call; if the former, then his view was easily adequate.

The ball has to touch the front part of the line in order to be dead in the end zone.

ajmc Sat Jan 07, 2012 11:40am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JasonTX (Post 811152)
The ball has to touch the front part of the line in order to be dead in the end zone.

Gentlemen, with all due respect, moving 6-8 inches closer to the goal line would unlikely have provided a better view of the goal line than the Linesman enjoyed. Often a camera view provides an advantage to the view of the covering official, this is NOT one of those instances.

He had a perfect vantage point to observe a moving ball and didn't hesitate to call what he obviously believed he saw. Presuming he totally understands both the rules regarding touchbacks and free kicks OOB, you have to accept his judgment.


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