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bigjohn Sat Dec 10, 2011 08:39pm

Helping the runner?
 
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InsideTheStripe Sun Dec 11, 2011 02:27am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigjohn (Post 803479)

No.

bigjohn Sun Dec 11, 2011 10:43am

SECTION 1 HELPING THE RUNNER
An offensive player shall not push, pull or lift the runner to assist his forward
progress.
PENALTY: Helping the runner (S44) – 5 yards.


So you are saying when he was pulled out of the tackle, that didn't assist his forward progress?
:rolleyes:

CT1 Sun Dec 11, 2011 02:55pm

For once, BJ, you may actually have a case.

JRutledge Sun Dec 11, 2011 03:22pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by CT1 (Post 803687)
For once, BJ, you may actually have a case.

I would not call that for that action. I do not think this freed up anyone or was any more than a normal touching of players spun around. If that is called a penalty I can only imagine what else would be a call. It is our job to call the obvious, not call something that is in huge dispute. This would be very debatable at best.

Peace

Robert Goodman Sun Dec 11, 2011 06:27pm

Looks like significant pulling action to me, helping the runner regain balance.

asdf Mon Dec 12, 2011 12:12am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman (Post 803711)
Looks like significant pulling action to me

Agreed.... this running back was significantly pulling defenders along with him all night. ;)

No coach, fan or official, with half a brain would call this in live action.

No coach, fan, or official, with the other half of the brain in question would call this over a week after it happened knowing that this running back put up the following line in this game...

35 carries / 326 yards (only 1 for a loss) / 6 touchdowns / 9.3 yds per carry


The team's line for the game....

60 carries / 436 yards (only 13 for a loss) / 6 touchdowns / 7.3 yds per carry


They didn't need any help.

JRutledge Mon Dec 12, 2011 12:21am

Kind of puts it in perspective if you ask me. ;)

Peace

JugglingReferee Mon Dec 12, 2011 07:06am

Canadian Ruling
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bigjohn (Post 803479)

CANADIAN RULING:

Not even close to a foul.

bigjohn Mon Dec 12, 2011 08:13am

The stats or rest of the game have nothing to do with this foul It should have been called and I said it when it happened.

Everyone there knew it should have been called but no one wants to pee on anyones parade at the State Finals.

CT1 Mon Dec 12, 2011 08:31am

Obviously this is a judgment as to whether the runner would have broken away on his own. But watch the clip again, focusing only on #12. What was his objective at the crucial moment? He certainly wasn't looking to block anyone.

MD Longhorn Mon Dec 12, 2011 09:05am

Quote:

Originally Posted by CT1 (Post 803815)
Obviously this is a judgment as to whether the runner would have broken away on his own. But watch the clip again, focusing only on #12. What was his objective at the crucial moment? He certainly wasn't looking to block anyone.

Actually, the judgement is not what the runner would have done absent the illegal act, but rather whether there was an illegal act or not. Watching this on film, from this angle, I believe BJ has a rare point. Would I have the guts to call this on the field? Maybe not. Would I have seen the "obvious" had my angle been at field level, while running, while in traffic? Almost definitely not.

asdf Mon Dec 12, 2011 09:10am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigjohn (Post 803813)
Everyone there knew it should have been called but no one wants to pee on anyones parade at the State Finals.

More proof that you are a liar.

MD Longhorn Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:05am

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Originally Posted by bigjohn (Post 803813)
Everyone there knew it should have been called but no one wants to pee on anyones parade at the State Finals.

Again with the all-knowing. How in the world can you assert that you know what everyone else was thinking? Whoever "everyone else" is.

bigjohn Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:12am

Well I bet half the people there would have agreed with the official had he called it! :)


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