Not NFHS!

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by CT1

I can promise you that NFHS will make this a live ball foul if it becomes a major problem at the HS level & they feel it's the only way to stop it.

Do you think NCAA really wanted to have points taken off the board? Of course not!

Actually, I suggested this rule change to our state represntative 3 years ago. This was after the NCHSAA made this type of foul an ejectionable offense, which results in a 1 game suspension.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

That is why I put not nfhs in the title. That is why the NFHS will never make this a live ball foul (I hope) and you and I both know some are for this just because BigJohn is against it.

Whoa, now I am writing in the third person.

I think it is coming to the NF level.

And if you look at NCAA games, you hardly saw this called at all because players got into the EZ. The one time I can remember it took place was in a blowout. It is coming because someone will think it is a great idea. They have already took on rules that care over to the kickoff, this is coming too.

Peace

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

That is why I put not nfhs in the title. That is why the NFHS will never make this a live ball foul (I hope) and you and I both know some are for this just because BigJohn is against it.

Not sure anyone's saying they are FOR this... just saying the NCAA is (as is Texas, and I'm assuming as is Mass). I don't like the rule either. For the same reasons you guys don't. But it IS the rule, and videos I've seen make this ruling unambiguous to this particular case. Call it or don't work.

[Spence]

I'm not a football official. Saw this story elsewhere. Coming here for clarification.

1. Is this penalty marked off from the spot of the foul?
2. I assume it can be called even if the play does not result in a TD?
3. Have you ever called or seen it called on a defender?
4. Does it only apply to the kid with the ball? We often see a QB throw his hands up in celebration while a receiver is heading to the EZ.

Any thoughts on better ways to write the rule to enforce its spirit?

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Spence

1. Is this penalty marked off from the spot of the foul?

It is enforced like any other live ball foul but in this case, yes it is marked off from the spot of the foul.

2. I assume it can be called even if the play does not result in a TD?

Yes, the type of play does not matter as the foul is simply unsportsmanlike conduct.

3. Have you ever called or seen it called on a defender?

Yes, but not this year.

4. Does it only apply to the kid with the ball? We often see a QB throw his hands up in celebration while a receiver is heading to the EZ.

No it does not, it applies to all players (the live ball foul that is). In my opinion, a QB throwing his hands up is NOT unsportsmanlike conduct, just like the play in this video is not either. A QB getting in the face of a defender and taunting him would be a foul and if the ball is live, a live ball foul as well.

Any thoughts on better ways to write the rule to enforce its spirit?

Unsportsmanlike conduct is a very subjective call and efforts have been made to create consistency at the collegiate level on how to call this, there are still disagreements all the time about these calls. The biggest litmus test is that if the act is not specifically prohibited, the official has to judge whether or not the act "feels right". If not, a flag should be thrown. I have a hard time understanding what was wrong with this play.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Spence

I'm not a football official. Saw this story elsewhere. Coming here for clarification.

1. Is this penalty marked off from the spot of the foul?

Yes

Originally Posted by Spence

2. I assume it can be called even if the play does not result in a TD?

Yes

Originally Posted by Spence

3. Have you ever called or seen it called on a defender?

Absolutely - defenders score too.

Originally Posted by Spence

4. Does it only apply to the kid with the ball? We often see a QB throw his hands up in celebration while a receiver is heading to the EZ.

It applies to everyone. However, the videos in training all refer to the scoring player - on someone else it would have to be easily recognizable as taunting.

Originally Posted by Spence

Any thoughts on better ways to write the rule to enforce its spirit?

The rule is written the way they do want it enforced. There is no lack of clarity. The issue is that most don't like the rule.