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Old Tue Nov 01, 2011, 04:40pm
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Legal snap...simply disagree with jchamp's and bigjohn's judgement of the snap.
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Old Tue Nov 01, 2011, 05:51pm
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Legal snap...simply disagree with jchamp's and bigjohn's judgement of the snap.
Fair enough. As long as the rules book includes language that leaves room for judgment, such as "quick" and "immediately", there will always be that potential.
Some day, the human element will be completely removed from the game and our job can be performed by automotons basing their calls on the use of an irrefutably measurable rule set. Until then, the closest we have is EA Sports. And I'm content to let it be that way for a while longer.
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Quick and immediate have a different speed for 12 year olds than 17 year olds.
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Old Tue Nov 01, 2011, 06:51pm
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OK, then just put it this way. Picking up the ball and handing it to the QB is not a snap. Period.
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Old Tue Nov 01, 2011, 07:36pm
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Know what's really funny? We already had this issue discussed about that video in a thread here. And I'm pretty sure some of you wrote in that thread.
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Illegal snap. Shut 'er down!
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Old Wed Nov 02, 2011, 07:06am
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shall not:
a. Remove both hands from the ball.
b. Make any movement that simulates a snap.
c. Fail to clearly pause before the snap.
d. Following adjustment, lift or move the ball other than in a legal snap.
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Old Wed Nov 02, 2011, 08:09am
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shall not:
a. Remove both hands from the ball.
b. Make any movement that simulates a snap.
c. Fail to clearly pause before the snap.
d. Following adjustment, lift or move the ball other than in a legal snap.
a - he didn't remove both hands from the ball.
b - he didn't make any movement that simulates a snap.
c - he (the center) clearly paused.
d - I recognize that you don't agree that this was a legal snap, and if you have a beef, it's there --- but given that this was a legal snap, he did not lift or move the ball other than in a legal snap.
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Old Wed Nov 02, 2011, 08:13am
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I would say what happened on this play was much closer to a lift than a snap. Any official on the field should be looking for a reason to kill this play and I just gave you an excellent one. Illegal snap.

Why would anyone argue that that was a legal snap?
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Old Wed Nov 02, 2011, 08:47am
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Because it is a legal snap, for reasons that several other posters have already described to you.

I think this graphic sums it up nicely:
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Old Wed Nov 02, 2011, 08:53am
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There is nothing legal about picking the ball up and handing it to the QB. Now, on any given Friday, there will be a U who doesn't want to call it that way so I guess that night it is LEGAL. That is why we have plays like this being called the greatest trick play ever!

I agree there can be different interpretations of the rules but no one can look at this video and say, that is a good snap.
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Old Wed Nov 02, 2011, 08:57am
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The only thing that would make this better would be for the crew to actually call the penalty on the offense.

Hey coach...your kid just got rocked...
And by the way, we're going to stick you for 15...
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Old Wed Nov 02, 2011, 08:59am
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There is nothing legal about picking the ball up and handing it to the QB. Now, on any given Friday, there will be a U who doesn't want to call it that way so I guess that night it is LEGAL. That is why we have plays like this being called the greatest trick play ever!

I agree there can be different interpretations of the rules but no one can look at this video and say, that is a good snap.
Maybe you've missed the fact that this play was illegal for a completely different reason.

Regarding the snap - the fact that you keep saying "there's nothing legal about picking the ball up and handing it to the QB" doesn't make it true. By RULE, the snap we see in this video is legal. The snap is, in fact, by definition "picking the ball up and handing it to the QB". Just because you are accustomed to seeing this under the legs of the center (because such a snap provides more protection for the offense than any other way of snapping) doesn't make it the ONLY way to snap. In fact, the old stand-to-the-side and hand it to the QB method, while antiquated, is still legal (albeit a great way to get your QB killed).

The play we see here is not legal ... but not because of the snap.
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No I understand unfair acts completely, my point is it is not a legal snap. LOL!!!!!
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Old Wed Nov 02, 2011, 10:52am
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No I understand unfair acts completely, my point is it is not a legal snap. LOL!!!!!
OK ... but you've been told by official after official that by current rule and interpretation, it is.
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