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[REFUMPIRE]

Wow..welcome to the forum I guess...I am not a registered official or umpire..just watch a lot of sports and thought at some point I would like to get into officiating. Sorry for posting. I guess everyone on this site must need to know everything before posting. Consider this my last post.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by REFUMPIRE

Wow..welcome to the forum I guess...I am not a registered official or umpire..just watch a lot of sports and thought at some point I would like to get into officiating. Sorry for posting. I guess everyone on this site must need to know everything before posting. Consider this my last post.

Fell free to post anytime. Just understand that this is not normally for fans, it is an officiating site. You get a few people that are territorial with their rules and mechanics, do not mind them.

That being said I figured you might not be an official.

Peace

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by REFUMPIRE

Wow..welcome to the forum I guess...I am not a registered official or umpire..just watch a lot of sports and thought at some point I would like to get into officiating. Sorry for posting. I guess everyone on this site must need to know everything before posting. Consider this my last post.

My apologies then ... but surely you can understand the assumption that you are an official, given that you chose the name REFUMPIRE. Yes?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

My apologies then ... but surely you can understand the assumption that you are an official, given that you chose the name REFUMPIRE. Yes?

You know, I run football meetings for 2 associations and we have quite a few new officials. If someone asked me this question, I wouldn't berate them. Why would people choose to come to our association meetings if we berated people?

Why do people do this online instead of politely ask them "Which rule do you think this would be covered in?"

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

You know, I run football meetings for 2 associations and we have quite a few new officials. If someone asked me this question, I wouldn't berate them. Why would people choose to come to our association meetings if we berated people?

Why do people do this online instead of politely ask them "Which rule do you think this would be covered in?"

Exactly, this is actually a common question. It usually comes from a youth game or someone claims it happen to them and they did not know what to do.

Peace

[PA-28-181]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

My apologies then ... but surely you can understand the assumption that you are an official, given that you chose the name REFUMPIRE. Yes?

mbcrowder, i guess you can use the old saying "never assume because it makes an"---- you know the rest. When I started working football our association met once a week and I'm sure I asked all kinds of stupid question that an old vet would roll his eyes at. If anyone there replied to a question the way you did, I would tell them to pound sand & never come back. All he was asking was a simple question, if you don't like it or it's beneath you to give an answer than don't! Just hit your back arrow and go to a different page.

[MD Longhorn]

You're reading into my post an arrogance that was not there.

Perhaps my error was to assume he was an official ... but I did (given the name REFUMPIRE, and given that this is a website for officials, I don't think that is THAT bad of an assumption).

I guess I just tire of the laziness I see here. If an official needed the answer to that question, there's this great book he can go to to find out the answer. People learning one little tidbit by having people answer such questions - and learn a lot more by finding the answer themselves. (And I think you all know that). Maybe I was brusquer than I needed to be - but that was where my thought process was when posting.

You all are acting as if I'm the first person ever who saw a ridiculously simple question like this one and told the poster to look it up. Rich even alludes to it in his response - that if asked this question at a meeting he'd steer the person toward the book. Obviously ... he'd do it nicer than I did... but the idea is the same even if the manner isn't.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

You're reading into my post an arrogance that was not there.

Interesting, you read into other's posts things you know nothing about. I guess this does not work when people take your words and take from it what they like.

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Perhaps my error was to assume he was an official ... but I did (given the name REFUMPIRE, and given that this is a website for officials, I don't think that is THAT bad of an assumption).

I guess I just tire of the laziness I see here. If an official needed the answer to that question, there's this great book he can go to to find out the answer. People learning one little tidbit by having people answer such questions - and learn a lot more by finding the answer themselves. (And I think you all know that). Maybe I was brusquer than I needed to be - but that was where my thought process was when posting.

OK, but this is a discussion board, people tend to ask questions that seem elementary to many of us that is what happen here. This is not a proving ground for everyone's knowledge. And I agree people should try to find out things, but often it is they do not know where to look. I will in about an hour go to a meeting where rules will be discussed and still we will talk after the meeting about situations and circumstances and even disagree until someone pulls out the rulebook. And then we still might not agree because the rules are not always clear in every situation and we need to get a ruling or interpretation from our higher-ups to tell us what should be done. Not everyone is a rules maven.

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

You all are acting as if I'm the first person ever who saw a ridiculously simple question like this one and told the poster to look it up. Rich even alludes to it in his response - that if asked this question at a meeting he'd steer the person toward the book. Obviously ... he'd do it nicer than I did... but the idea is the same even if the manner isn't.

No you are not the only one. And I can admit I have probably done this over the 10 years of time I have been here as well, but I have learned teaching younger officials that they do not know everything or that fans do not know much of anything either. And if he came here accusing the officials of screwing up then that is one thing, but it was just a question.

Peace

[JasonTX]

I thought it was a good question. I suspect there are probably quite of few vetaran officials that would be scratching their heads if they seen this happen in their game, wondering if it was legal. Even if he was a new official, one the hardest things a new official has trouble with is finding stuff in the rule book. It took me the better part of my rookie season to be able to find stuff I was looking for, and then the other 10 years trying to remember it all. If I couldn't find something I turned to the forums and asked the question. That's how I learned. I've got no problem with someone asking a "stupid" question because it may lead to other questions that generate some good rules discussions.

[habram]

To all , I really hope that one day i can look at this site without seeing the responses from wise guys.

Most questions only need an answer.

[JRutledge]

This is an open forum, people will, can and are going to respond how they wish. If you want only answers than you probably should leave the internet right now as that is never going to be always the case. Sorry, but even if I do not like someone's response, that is not going to change that fact anytime soon.

Peace

[RadioBlue]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

You're reading into my post an arrogance that was not there.

Perhaps my error was to assume he was an official ... but I did (given the name REFUMPIRE, and given that this is a website for officials, I don't think that is THAT bad of an assumption).

I guess I just tire of the laziness I see here. If an official needed the answer to that question, there's this great book he can go to to find out the answer. People learning one little tidbit by having people answer such questions - and learn a lot more by finding the answer themselves. (And I think you all know that). Maybe I was brusquer than I needed to be - but that was where my thought process was when posting.

You all are acting as if I'm the first person ever who saw a ridiculously simple question like this one and told the poster to look it up. Rich even alludes to it in his response - that if asked this question at a meeting he'd steer the person toward the book. Obviously ... he'd do it nicer than I did... but the idea is the same even if the manner isn't.

MB:
I'm with the majority here. You were out of line. While possibly not your intention, your response smacked of arrogance and intolerance.

The answer to any question on this forum could be, "Look it up!!" Kinda circumvents the whole idea of a football officiating rules forum, huh?

Perhaps we should only stick to questions about black pants vs. knickers?

[MD Longhorn]

If it was not clear already, I apologize. Let it go.

[Zebraman79]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

My apologies then ... but surely you can understand the assumption that you are an official, given that you chose the name REFUMPIRE. Yes?

your name is funny thats what I call myself when we work 3 man because the referee is also the umpire!!!