Mechanics stopping clock & encroachment signal
 

When using NFHS signal #3 to stop the clock, do I cross my arms 3 times or only 2 times per mechanics book?

After using signal #7, which signal #18 or #19 should the referee use when reporting an encroachment penalty by team “A” and when kick off team crossed line before kicked?

1) You're kidding, right? 2 or 3 is normal, more if the operator doesn't stop it.

2) Encroachment is hands on hips, I don't recall ever seeing an NCAA official give the rolling arms for encroachment,

No, I was not joking. Did you see any humor in my questions?

How many times should an official signal the clock to stop, once, twice, three or infinitive number of times above the head?

Same goes for when a pass play is incomplete, how many times should the official cross his arms when signaling, once, twice, three times?

If the offensive player(s) line up in the neutral zone, what is the proper mechanic for such penalty issued by Referee? Is it an encroachment signal or illegal procedure signal?

What is "illegal procedure"? :confused:

Twice is plenty, unless the ECO doesn't stop the clock. Then, you continue to do it until he does.

What foul has he committed? Signal that. :)

Maybe you're not a football official. It is encroachment if any player from either team enters the neutral zone between the ready-for-play and the snap.

Most officials will talk players out of encroachment if they can, and if they can't they'll flag it, if they do, just before the snap.

They got rid of illegal procedure about 5 years ago.

Peace

OK, I used incorrect terminology... "False Start".

Yes, I realize it is encroachment when either defense or offense lines up in the neutral zone.

When the offense commits the encroachment penalty, what is the correct signal to use?

Do you signal dead ball "False Start" or dead ball "Encroachment"?

Will an official have time to warn, communicate to player(s) from lining up in the neutral zone if the snap has already occurred?

Such as a quick snap or hurry up offensives plays, then you are saying look the other way and do not call the penalty?

OK, in what book, and page number is this the correct mechanics?

BktBallRef, you are correct to signal twice.

I found the answer but it is in an older 2008-2009 NFHS Football Officials Manual.

On page 17, Stopping, Starting and Winding the Clock; Stop clock (giving proper signal twice). This procedure may have changed in current 2010-2011 manual.

Canadian Mechanic
 

CANADIAN MECHANIC:

Twice is usually fine.

Encroachment is offside, so hands on hips.

Speaking of signals.
Does anyone NOT cross their arms when signalling incomplete or no good such as on a field goal?
I have see some give the illegal shift signal in those situations where no shift was involved.

A lot fof the NCAA officials I have observed have gone away from the incomplete signal as we've known it. It now looks like a "high" safe sign from baseball.

Illegal shift signal has the arms parallel to the ground.

Once, twice, three times -- it doesn't really matter as long as the clock is properly stopped (or started). 8-10 times is too much.

We don't need to consult a manual for everything we do out on the field.

Encroachment is encroachment, whether the foul is on the offense or defense. It's the hands on hips signal and it can be used against either team.

In Ohio we've been instructed that all signals are to be given 2 times. No more, No less.

That's a little too strong. For example, if we're killing the clock (2X) and it doesn't stop, we keep signalling.

But yes, the general rule is to execute most signals 2X.

That's nice -- and a level of micromanaging that I think is unnecessary, IMO.

What do you do when a coach is screaming at you that the ECO doesn't stop the clock after your two (and only two) signals and you look up to see it still running? Do you shrug and say, "Sorry coach, I've already given my two signals. Nothing I can do about it."?

I should come to Ohio and catch a game. The level of prep officiating must be incredibly high to be overly concerned about such trivial matters.

The state is reacting to the incredible variety of mechanics (and often rules) that used to be enforced by different crews here. It was almost like NL umpires and their "signature strike zones" back in the day.

The pendulum is swinging toward absolute uniformity. It'll swing back.

Yes he does... he's never been on the field.

I have but apparently the only field you have been on is your field of dreams.

You’re a cocky game official who may have many years of officiating experience comparable to medical physicians' years of practicing voodoo.

Why not?

After going back and scanning some of your basic level posted questions, it appears you are either a perpetual first year official or a permanent troll.

I agree completely if the clock operator is paying attention and properly stops the clock in a reasonable time. If they do not, it might take that many times to get their attention. ;)

Peace

If they don't stop it in two swipes, I'm probably putting time back on the clock, so at that point, it doesn't matter.

Likewise on two winds for starting the clock -- if they don't start it properly, I'm going to reset everything and make sure it starts properly.

The problem with putting time back on the clock is that they have to first stop the clock. Then again I have had some really bad clock operators recently where they clearly do not pay attention. Otherwise I agree more than 2 or 3 times with any signal is not needed. But I understand if you do more with the stop and start clock signals when the clock operator is out to lunch.

Peace

Welcome to my world!

parepat: I was working peewees this weekend and invented the next signal for adoption in Ohio. It's similar to the "double stakes" signal of wagging the index fingers back and forth.

The difference is that it applies when the line to gain is less than 10 yards away, so we have just "one stake" to go. So I was just wagging one finger...

Look for it in next year's "gold book." ;)

1. I think if you "wag" it only twice you are ok.

2. Which finger?

1. Good point.

2. Heh. :D

After reading your reply, you’re either a perpetual mentally disturbed individual or a first year wise guy.

Take your prescribed medication and have a wonderful day.