Mechanics stopping clock & encroachment signal

[johnny1784]

Originally Posted by HLin NC

1) You're kidding, right? 2 or 3 is normal, more if the operator doesn't stop it.

2) Encroachment is hands on hips, I don't recall ever seeing an NCAA official give the rolling arms for encroachment,

No, I was not joking. Did you see any humor in my questions?

How many times should an official signal the clock to stop, once, twice, three or infinitive number of times above the head?

Same goes for when a pass play is incomplete, how many times should the official cross his arms when signaling, once, twice, three times?

If the offensive player(s) line up in the neutral zone, what is the proper mechanic for such penalty issued by Referee? Is it an encroachment signal or illegal procedure signal?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by johnny1784

No, I was not joking. Did you see any humor in my questions?

How many times should an official signal the clock to stop, once, twice, three or infinitive number of times above the head?

Same goes for when a pass play is incomplete, how many times should the official cross his arms when signaling, once, twice, three times?

If the offensive player(s) line up in the neutral zone, what is the proper mechanic for such penalty issued by Referee? Is it an encroachment signal or illegal procedure signal?

What is "illegal procedure"?

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by johnny1784

No, I was not joking. Did you see any humor in my questions?

How many times should an official signal the clock to stop, once, twice, three or infinitive number of times above the head?

Same goes for when a pass play is incomplete, how many times should the official cross his arms when signaling, once, twice, three times?

If the offensive player(s) line up in the neutral zone, what is the proper mechanic for such penalty issued by Referee? Is it an encroachment signal or illegal procedure signal?

Twice is plenty, unless the ECO doesn't stop the clock. Then, you continue to do it until he does.

[johnny1784]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Twice is plenty, unless the ECO doesn't stop the clock. Then, you continue to do it until he does.

OK, in what book, and page number is this the correct mechanics?

[johnny1784]

Originally Posted by johnny1784

OK, in what book, and page number is this the correct mechanics?

BktBallRef, you are correct to signal twice.

I found the answer but it is in an older 2008-2009 NFHS Football Officials Manual.

On page 17, Stopping, Starting and Winding the Clock; Stop clock (giving proper signal twice). This procedure may have changed in current 2010-2011 manual.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by johnny1784

BktBallRef, you are correct to signal twice.

I found the answer but it is in an older 2008-2009 NFHS Football Officials Manual.

On page 17, Stopping, Starting and Winding the Clock; Stop clock (giving proper signal twice). This procedure may have changed in current 2010-2011 manual.

Once, twice, three times -- it doesn't really matter as long as the clock is properly stopped (or started). 8-10 times is too much.

We don't need to consult a manual for everything we do out on the field.

Encroachment is encroachment, whether the foul is on the offense or defense. It's the hands on hips signal and it can be used against either team.

[BuckeyeRef]

In Ohio we've been instructed that all signals are to be given 2 times. No more, No less.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeRef

In Ohio we've been instructed that all signals are to be given 2 times. No more, No less.

That's a little too strong. For example, if we're killing the clock (2X) and it doesn't stop, we keep signalling.

But yes, the general rule is to execute most signals 2X.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeRef

In Ohio we've been instructed that all signals are to be given 2 times. No more, No less.

That's nice -- and a level of micromanaging that I think is unnecessary, IMO.

[InsideTheStripe]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeRef

In Ohio we've been instructed that all signals are to be given 2 times. No more, No less.

What do you do when a coach is screaming at you that the ECO doesn't stop the clock after your two (and only two) signals and you look up to see it still running? Do you shrug and say, "Sorry coach, I've already given my two signals. Nothing I can do about it."?

I should come to Ohio and catch a game. The level of prep officiating must be incredibly high to be overly concerned about such trivial matters.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Once, twice, three times -- it doesn't really matter as long as the clock is properly stopped (or started). 8-10 times is too much.

We don't need to consult a manual for everything we do out on the field.

Yes he does... he's never been on the field.

[johnny1784]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Yes he does... he's never been on the field.

I have but apparently the only field you have been on is your field of dreams.

You’re a cocky game official who may have many years of officiating experience comparable to medical physicians' years of practicing voodoo.

[johnny1784]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Once, twice, three times -- it doesn't really matter as long as the clock is properly stopped (or started). 8-10 times is too much.

We don't need to consult a manual for everything we do out on the field.

Encroachment is encroachment, whether the foul is on the offense or defense. It's the hands on hips signal and it can be used against either team.

Why not?

[HLin NC]

You’re a cocky game official who may have many years of officiating experience comparable to medical physicians' years of practicing voodoo.

After going back and scanning some of your basic level posted questions, it appears you are either a perpetual first year official or a permanent troll.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Once, twice, three times -- it doesn't really matter as long as the clock is properly stopped (or started). 8-10 times is too much.

I agree completely if the clock operator is paying attention and properly stops the clock in a reasonable time. If they do not, it might take that many times to get their attention.

Peace