Mechanics stopping clock & encroachment signal

[HLin NC]

1) You're kidding, right? 2 or 3 is normal, more if the operator doesn't stop it.

2) Encroachment is hands on hips, I don't recall ever seeing an NCAA official give the rolling arms for encroachment,

[johnny1784]

Originally Posted by HLin NC

1) You're kidding, right? 2 or 3 is normal, more if the operator doesn't stop it.

2) Encroachment is hands on hips, I don't recall ever seeing an NCAA official give the rolling arms for encroachment,

No, I was not joking. Did you see any humor in my questions?

How many times should an official signal the clock to stop, once, twice, three or infinitive number of times above the head?

Same goes for when a pass play is incomplete, how many times should the official cross his arms when signaling, once, twice, three times?

If the offensive player(s) line up in the neutral zone, what is the proper mechanic for such penalty issued by Referee? Is it an encroachment signal or illegal procedure signal?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by johnny1784

No, I was not joking. Did you see any humor in my questions?

How many times should an official signal the clock to stop, once, twice, three or infinitive number of times above the head?

Same goes for when a pass play is incomplete, how many times should the official cross his arms when signaling, once, twice, three times?

If the offensive player(s) line up in the neutral zone, what is the proper mechanic for such penalty issued by Referee? Is it an encroachment signal or illegal procedure signal?

What is "illegal procedure"?

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by johnny1784

No, I was not joking. Did you see any humor in my questions?

How many times should an official signal the clock to stop, once, twice, three or infinitive number of times above the head?

Same goes for when a pass play is incomplete, how many times should the official cross his arms when signaling, once, twice, three times?

If the offensive player(s) line up in the neutral zone, what is the proper mechanic for such penalty issued by Referee? Is it an encroachment signal or illegal procedure signal?

Twice is plenty, unless the ECO doesn't stop the clock. Then, you continue to do it until he does.

[johnny1784]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Twice is plenty, unless the ECO doesn't stop the clock. Then, you continue to do it until he does.

OK, in what book, and page number is this the correct mechanics?

[johnny1784]

Originally Posted by johnny1784

OK, in what book, and page number is this the correct mechanics?

BktBallRef, you are correct to signal twice.

I found the answer but it is in an older 2008-2009 NFHS Football Officials Manual.

On page 17, Stopping, Starting and Winding the Clock; Stop clock (giving proper signal twice). This procedure may have changed in current 2010-2011 manual.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by johnny1784

BktBallRef, you are correct to signal twice.

I found the answer but it is in an older 2008-2009 NFHS Football Officials Manual.

On page 17, Stopping, Starting and Winding the Clock; Stop clock (giving proper signal twice). This procedure may have changed in current 2010-2011 manual.

Once, twice, three times -- it doesn't really matter as long as the clock is properly stopped (or started). 8-10 times is too much.

We don't need to consult a manual for everything we do out on the field.

Encroachment is encroachment, whether the foul is on the offense or defense. It's the hands on hips signal and it can be used against either team.

[BuckeyeRef]

In Ohio we've been instructed that all signals are to be given 2 times. No more, No less.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Once, twice, three times -- it doesn't really matter as long as the clock is properly stopped (or started). 8-10 times is too much.

We don't need to consult a manual for everything we do out on the field.

Yes he does... he's never been on the field.

[johnny1784]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Once, twice, three times -- it doesn't really matter as long as the clock is properly stopped (or started). 8-10 times is too much.

We don't need to consult a manual for everything we do out on the field.

Encroachment is encroachment, whether the foul is on the offense or defense. It's the hands on hips signal and it can be used against either team.

Why not?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Once, twice, three times -- it doesn't really matter as long as the clock is properly stopped (or started). 8-10 times is too much.

I agree completely if the clock operator is paying attention and properly stops the clock in a reasonable time. If they do not, it might take that many times to get their attention.

Peace

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by johnny1784

If the offensive player(s) line up in the neutral zone, what is the proper mechanic for such penalty issued by Referee? Is it an encroachment signal or illegal procedure signal?

What foul has he committed? Signal that.

Maybe you're not a football official. It is encroachment if any player from either team enters the neutral zone between the ready-for-play and the snap.

Most officials will talk players out of encroachment if they can, and if they can't they'll flag it, if they do, just before the snap.

[johnny1784]

Originally Posted by mbyron

What foul has he committed? Signal that.

Maybe you're not a football official. It is encroachment if any player from either team enters the neutral zone between the ready-for-play and the snap.

Most officials will talk players out of encroachment if they can, and if they can't they'll flag it, if they do, just before the snap.

Yes, I realize it is encroachment when either defense or offense lines up in the neutral zone.

When the offense commits the encroachment penalty, what is the correct signal to use?

Do you signal dead ball "False Start" or dead ball "Encroachment"?

Will an official have time to warn, communicate to player(s) from lining up in the neutral zone if the snap has already occurred?

Such as a quick snap or hurry up offensives plays, then you are saying look the other way and do not call the penalty?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by johnny1784

Is it an encroachment signal or illegal procedure signal?

They got rid of illegal procedure about 5 years ago.

Peace

[johnny1784]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

They got rid of illegal procedure about 5 years ago.

Peace

OK, I used incorrect terminology... "False Start".