Helmet Contact Enforcement

[bigjohn]

Son of a gun, I got two IHCs called in my game friday night (had to remind them fist about the POEs and such).
Enforcement question. If there is holding on A beyond the LOS and it is a pass shouldn't the penalty be walked off from the previous spot and not the spot 5 or 10 yards down field. We had 2 or 3 called on our opponent but they gained yardage even after the penalty, once. They were forward passes.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

Son of a gun, I got two IHCs called in my game friday night (had to remind them fist about the POEs and such).
Enforcement question. If there is holding on A beyond the LOS and it is a pass shouldn't the penalty be walked off from the previous spot and not the spot 5 or 10 yards down field. We had 2 or 3 called on our opponent but they gained yardage even after the penalty, once. They were forward passes.

It depends when the holding occurs. If it occurs after the pass is caught, then the basic spot is the end of the run. So if the foul occurs behind the basic spot, it will be enforced from the spot of the foul; otherwise, from the end of the run.

[bigjohn]

If the holding occurred before the ball was caught, ball in flight, it would be OPI, if it happened before the ball was thrown but down field where do you walk it off?

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

If the holding occurred before the ball was caught, ball in flight, it would be OPI, if it happened before the ball was thrown but down field where do you walk it off?

Pass interference is a previous spot enforcement, but just from the facts you state (including downfield location), we don't know whether it was pass interference. We'd have to know where the pass ended and, if that didn't decide it, whether the contact impeded an opponent's effort to move toward the loose ball.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

Son of a gun, I got two IHCs called in my game friday night (had to remind them fist about the POEs and such).

You are an assistant coach right? I am sure an official is not listening to you. Just saying.

Peace

[bigjohn]

They called holding on a pass play after the catch and walked it off from the spot of the foul. The spot was downfield 5 yards. Should have been from the end of the run, right?

Think what you want , Rut.

[CT1]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

They called holding on a pass play after the catch and walked it off from the spot of the foul. The spot was downfield 5 yards.

Since the hold occurred after the catch, it was during a running play. The Basic Spot for a running play is the end of the run. Penalties against the offense will be marked from the Basic Spot, unless the foul was behind the Basic Spot, in which case it will be marked from the spot of the foul.

John -- the term "downfield 5 yards" doesn't have any meaning to officials.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

Son of a gun, I got two IHCs called in my game friday night (had to remind them fist about the POEs and such).

Knowing that you are an assistant on a team that has lost 15 straight games, I'm sure they respected your reminder.

[bigjohn]

They listen just like they did when we were 10-0

Ok, 5 yards beyond the NZ or original LOS.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

They listen just like they did when we were 10-0

Ok, 5 yards beyond the NZ or original LOS.

Never said anything about listening.

10-0 or 0-10....


They don't respect you for "reminding them"

[bigjohn]

They respect coaches that know the rules, and who are you to speak for them?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

They respect coaches that know the rules, and who are you to speak for them?

Who are you to say they only called something because you mentioned it? All the trainings, meetings and directives from their association and state and they only called something because a guy they may or may not respect (and it is not uncommon for officials to totally dismiss assistant coaches in our world) said something? OK.

Peace

[oncelost77]

On topic partially, called an IHC Friday night and got the obligatory "let them play, this is football!" We do need to call this more.

Off topic, I coach my son's U12 football team and he was back to receive a punt. He was hit simultaneous to the catch, not hurt, but no call. I asked for a KCI. He said that he had time. My son told me at the end of the 1st quarter that he told him "if you want protection, you have to call for a fair catch!"

At half-time on the way to get my team's water bottles refilled, I walked pass the officials and casually asked what he told my son. He repeated it but before I could say anything, the white hat interrupted. He said, "aren't you an official around here? You are a back judge right?" He apologized for the statement made to my son and corrected his U in front of me. No harm no foul. Actually, no harm missed foul.

My only point is that some officials appreciate a coach that knows the rules AND acts appropriately with that knowledge.