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NJOfficial Fri Sep 02, 2011 01:33pm

Unusual Penalty Accepted/Declined Situation
 
Here is an unusual situation I encountered in an 8th grade game a few years ago. I'd love to hear some input.

3rd and 30 from A's 40 yard line. Quarterback A7 drops back and throws a forward pass to A85. B20 commits defensive pass interference on A85, but A85 catches the pass anyway and is downed at B's 35 yard line, 5 yards short of the line to gain.

Accepting the 15-yard DPI penalty would place the ball at B's 45 yard line with an automatic first down. Declining the penalty would result in 4th and 5 from B's 35 yard line.

A's coach wishes to decline the 15-yard distance penalty but take the automatic first down, thus resulting in 1st and 10 from B's 35 yard line. Is this acceptable?

tomes1978 Fri Sep 02, 2011 02:28pm

No.

jemiller Fri Sep 02, 2011 04:07pm

Nope. No can do. Nice try though!

Jim S Fri Sep 02, 2011 05:22pm

He CAN deline the distance penalty. Except that would leave the ball 1st & 10 at the previous spot. A's 40...... Dumb ***! :eek:

Forksref Sat Sep 03, 2011 08:34am

I would like to hear how the options were explained to the captain.

McMac Sun Sep 04, 2011 07:31pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim S (Post 785255)
He CAN deline the distance penalty. Except that would leave the ball 1st & 10 at the previous spot. A's 40...... Dumb ***! :eek:

How would the spot be at A's 40 when the pass was caught? Wouldn't it be 1st and 10 from the B 35 with the catch and declining of the distance of the penalty?

BktBallRef Sun Sep 04, 2011 08:07pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by McMac (Post 785654)
How would the spot be at A's 40 when the pass was caught? Wouldn't it be 1st and 10 from the B 35 with the catch and declining of the distance of the penalty?

No. If he accepts the penalty but declines the yardage, the play is erased.

McMac Sun Sep 04, 2011 08:12pm

Thank you. I'm a first year official in FB. 4 in HS Bsktbl. Just trying to get the rules right.

JugglingReferee Sun Sep 04, 2011 09:01pm

Canadian Ruling
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NJOfficial (Post 785221)
Here is an unusual situation I encountered in an 8th grade game a few years ago. I'd love to hear some input.

3rd and 30 from A's 40 yard line. Quarterback A7 drops back and throws a forward pass to A85. B20 commits defensive pass interference on A85, but A85 catches the pass anyway and is downed at B's 35 yard line, 5 yards short of the line to gain.

Accepting the 15-yard DPI penalty would place the ball at B's 45 yard line with an automatic first down. Declining the penalty would result in 4th and 5 from B's 35 yard line.

A's coach wishes to decline the 15-yard distance penalty but take the automatic first down, thus resulting in 1st and 10 from B's 35 yard line. Is this acceptable?

CANADIAN RULING:

All aspects of the DPI penalty are applied from the PLS. The yardage can be declined, but the AFD will remain at the PLS.

CT1 Mon Sep 05, 2011 09:11am

Quote:

Originally Posted by McMac (Post 785654)
How would the spot be at A's 40 when the pass was caught? Wouldn't it be 1st and 10 from the B 35 with the catch and declining of the distance of the penalty?

The penalty for DPI is 15 yards from the previous spot (loose ball play) and an automatic 1st down. If A declines the distance portion, it's then ZERO yards from the previous spot and an automatic 1st down.


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