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NF rules in the kicking game

K87 kicks off. R34 is under teh ball and setting to receive it standing at his own 2. As R I am on the goal line (as I should be). As the kick comes down, R34 steps back to catch the ball with his left foot. As he is getting ready to catch the ball, his left heel is crossing the plane of the GL but not touching it. Here are the scenarios:

A) He catches the ball, and heel comes down on the GL

B) The ball hits his chest, he dropps the ball it lands in the end zone K recovers.

C) Ball hits his chest, he drops the ball K recovers.

D) Ball hits chest, he drops it, ball loose in end zone, picked up by R23. As he attempts to run ball out, R67 holds K45 in end zone. R23 ends up on R 44 yard line.

Calls?? Good luck!

NF:
A) live ball, play on
B) Ball dead as soon as it broke the plane of the goal line
C) K's ball assuming it was never behind the plane of the goal line at anytime.
D)Ball dead as soon as it broke the plane of the goal line.

NCAA: ball is live in all cases and (d) would result in a safety. Those must some fast K players to get into the EZ!!

Quote:

Originally posted by sm_bbcoach
NF rules in the kicking game

K87 kicks off. R34 is under teh ball and setting to receive it standing at his own 2. As R I am on the goal line (as I should be). As the kick comes down, R34 steps back to catch the ball with his left foot. As he is getting ready to catch the ball, his left heel is crossing the plane of the GL but not touching it. Here are the scenarios:

A) He catches the ball, and heel comes down on the GL

as long as the ball hasnt broken the plane of the goal it's live and R better run his a$$ off.
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B) The ball hits his chest, he dropps the ball it lands in the end zone K recovers.

Muffed ball , no possession , dead as soon as it enters R's EZ . TB
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C) Ball hits his chest, he drops the ball K recovers.

if recovery is in field of play , K's ball dead at spot of recovery
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D) Ball hits chest, he drops it, ball loose in end zone, picked up by R23. As he attempts to run ball out, R67 holds K45 in end zone. R23 ends up on R 44 yard line.

again , muffed ball , still a kick , dead as soon as it enters R's EZ . 1/10 @ R-20 clock on the snap
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Calls?? Good luck!

BTW answers are NF

Quote:

Originally posted by Theisey
NF:
A) live ball, play on
B) Ball dead as soon as it broke the plane of the goal line
C) K's ball assuming it was never behind the plane of the goal line at anytime.
D)Ball dead as soon as it broke the plane of the goal line.

NCAA: ball is live in all cases and (d) would result in a safety. Those must some fast K players to get into the EZ!!

What's this, dueling posts? ya beat me by 4 minutes dam it! LOL guna have ta learn ta type a hell of a lot faster I guess 8^)

Some extra observations...

NFHS rules: Key point to remember: The location of the ball (not the player) relative to the goal line determines whether you have a touchdown, touchback, or safety.

A) As long as the ball did not break the plane of the goal line it remains live even if the receivers foot (or feet) is touching the goal line.

B) R muffs the ball, therefore it remains a kick, and kicks that break the plane of R's goal line result in touchbacks.

C)If R muffs the kick and it remains in the field of play, K may recover it.

D)Same answer as B): Touchback.

"Kickoff: touchback or fumble"

Contrary to what the morons in the announcers' booth say, a kick CANNOT be fumbled, only muffed.

Bob

Quote:

Originally posted by bluezebra
"Kickoff: touchback or fumble"

Contrary to what the morons in the announcers' booth say, a kick CANNOT be fumbled, only muffed.

Bob

To fumble you must have possession.

You can advance a fumble but you cannot advance a muff. (Dandy Don Meredith used to quote that all the time.)

"You can advance a fumble but you cannot advance a muff. (Dandy Don Meredith used to quote that all the time.)"

Not quite right. The kicking team may not advance a muffed kick, only recover it. The receivers may advance the muff.

Bob