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Some of the guys have stated the kicking game can give them the most problems, and I agree its one of the more difficult parts of officiating the game. Well its just about to become somewhat more interesting to say the least. A little birdie told me last night to learn PSK. We Fed boys are going to need to know this very soon. And Im not kidding! So maybe some of the NCAA brothers can get us started
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Tue Jan 07, 2003, 05:50pm
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We really need to know just what the wording of the rule will be to properly discuss this.
It's very possible they will make a little tweek to the wording used by those states authorized to use the experimental rule this past season. Past history shows that experimental rules take two seasons before they finally make it into the book for all to use. What I'm eluding too is that it may take another year. Then again, maybe it will not. It will not be difficult to understand except how it may relates to enforcement in NF overtime periods. If you want, you can look at the NCAA PSK rule and ARs at their online rulebook site. The actual NF rule will probably look something like that. http://www.ncaa.org/library/rules/20...ball_rules.pdf
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Tue Jan 07, 2003, 05:58pm
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Postscrimmage Kick Enforcment
Assuming it pass the vote of the NFHS...
PSK (or Postscrimmage Kick) Enforcement Up until PSK is voted on an approved NFHS rules have always enforced loose ball fouls against TEAM B (or R) during a scrimmage kick from the previous spot. Well, with PSK, the enforcment spot "MAY" change to the spot where the kick ends. (BJ will beanbag the spot!) I said "MAY" because it doesn't automatically change rather it only changes if the following conditions are met: The foul is against TEAM B (or R), a) During scrimmage kick plays (other than a try or a field goal in an extra period). b) During a scrimmage kick play in which the ball crosses the neutral zone. c) The foul occurs three or more yards beyond the neutral zone d) The foul occurs before the end of the kick, and e) When team A does not have possession of the ball when the down ends The logic hear is; "By kicking the ball away you are giving up possession!" Thus, unlike under todays rules where a defensive invalid fair catch signal during a loose ball would be enforced from the previous spot, (which may give A (or K) a first down), under PSK it would be enforced from the change of possession spot (the bean bag). That is the general meaning of PSK. Source: NCAA Rule 10-2e Exception 3a thru 3e Page FR-121 "Let me make one thing perfectly clear!" (didn't Richard Nixon say that?) This post was intended to be informative only! Currently PSK is an NCAA and NFL rule only! It has not been voted on or approved by the NFHS. If it does pass it will most likely have differences (maybe suttle or maybe major) from what I have written. We should know of any NFHS rule changes in a little less than a month when the NFHS rulemakers meet for their annual meeting... My 2 cents
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Tue Jan 07, 2003, 10:01pm
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It passed , 36 to 11 I believe . going to be same as the NCAA PSK
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Wed Jan 08, 2003, 12:38pm
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Wed Jan 08, 2003, 11:04pm
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Rule changes
I have a little birdie also.
I received an e-mail today. And it is basically a done deal on the PSK. Although I do not have all the details. One other rule change that I think is interesting. It appears that there will be new rule which allows a team which scores a TD to accept the penalty against their opponents and have it enforced on the succeeding spot. So, in short, they can have the touchdown AND the foul. Seems kinda weird to me. Anyway, there are a few other little things that are going to change. Will write more later, when I more time. Doc
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Thu Jan 09, 2003, 12:43am
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No misdeeds by B will go unpunished...
Regarding the proposed new rule allowing A to accept the touchdown and enforce a live ball foul by B at the succeeding spot (on the try), the NF is attempting to discourage any cheap personal fouls by B to go unpunished during a touchdown play by A.
Now the rule will be consistent with the rule allowing A to enforce B's foul during a successful try at the succeeding spot (on the free-kick or 10 yard line during an overtime period). Of course, I have not yet seen the final results of the NF football rules committee on this subject.
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Thu Jan 09, 2003, 01:39am
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Thu Jan 09, 2003, 02:12am
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It's not a new rule, Rather it is the return of an old rule!
[QUOTE]Originally posted by DrMooreReferee
[B]I have a little birdie also. One other rule change that I think is interesting. It appears that there will be new rule which allows a team which scores a TD to accept the penalty against their opponents and have it enforced on the succeeding spot. So, in short, they can have the touchdown AND the foul. Seems kinda weird to me. Doc- It is merely the return of a rule that they got rid of a few years back. (OK, maybe quite a few years ago!) It used to be the scoring team got the touchdown and the penalty was always enforced on the kickoff. (Never on the PAT as the PAT was treated as a seperate entity.) I thought it was dumb when the got rid of the rule and I applaud them for bringing it back. It is unclear if the new rule will give the scoring team the option of taking the penalty on the PAT or the Kickoff but my suspicions are it will be so as to be the same as the NCAA rule!
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Thu Jan 09, 2003, 07:30am
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Hey fellas...
Sorry I haven't had much time to write lately. Work has been very busy and thats just how it goes sometimes. Hopefully things will slow down a bit soon. Anyway, just a little more info on what I've heard about the rule changes. First of all, I'm getting my info from our state commisioner of officials, so its probably right on the money. He sent all of us an e-mail that stated he just got back from the winter meetings in Florida. He said that PSK was accepted in a vote of 38-11. Pretty impressive. However, its still unclear as to the fine details of how we will be doing this new rule. More details to come on that one. PSK will most definately be the primary focus of all high school officials for the coming season. The other stuff he said was pretty minor. As I said before, the deal with penalties being enforced at the succeeding spot after a a touchdown has been scored seems to also be a pretty big change. The way I understand this rule, at this time, is that the penalty will be assessed at the succeeding spot. Which in my interpretation means on the try. Afterall, the definition of succeeding spot is the spot where the ball would be snapped or kicked if no foul had occured. So, the try seems logical to me. However, that doesn't mean that it will be that way. We shall see. Also, NEW: 8-2-5: Possession of a live ball in the opponent's end zone is always a touchdown. (This has been a fundamental for many years, but there has been nothing in the rule book to support it.) There has also been a new definition added in rule #2. They will be defining the word..PENALTY. What that definition will be is still not known. Other than that, its basically just a bunch of verbage that changes a little bit. Nothing really serious. PSK is going to change the way we do things quite a bit. I'm excited about the new season ahead. I can't wait for it to get here. However, it appears there will be a bit of studying to do. Take care, Doc
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