N. Carolina/Tennessee

[RealityCheck]

Originally Posted by JasonTX

No player in excess of 11 shall leave the field of play while the ball is live. This is a live ball foul for illegal SUBSTITUTION. They would actually have to participate in the play to be flagged for participation.

There were 12 players still in the formation after all of the other players were leaving the field when the ball was spiked.

Illegal participation trumps illegal substitution. The FG attempt was from 10 yards closer than it should have been.

Anyone who thinks that crew/replay booth did a good job at the end of the game is mistaken big-time.

[Blue37]

What about the throat slash by the Tennessee quarterback after the touchdown in the first overtime? Is that indicative of a lack of control by the coach?

[ottobabble]

One more aspect I have not seen addressed (I am a NFHS official only), but is there not a rule concerning substitutions that when A attempts to sub, that they must be held up until B has a chance to counter the sub. Perhaps that is waived in the final two minutes or something like that.

NC coaching staff got away with a serious blunder by sending in the FG unit on 3rd down and creating the confusion. They would have easily been able to spike the ball had just the same players stayed in the game.

[JasonTX]

Originally Posted by RealityCheck

There were 12 players still in the formation after all of the other players were leaving the field when the ball was spiked.

Illegal participation trumps illegal substitution. The FG attempt was from 10 yards closer than it should have been.

Anyone who thinks that crew/replay booth did a good job at the end of the game is mistaken big-time.

Can you post a copy of the video. I didn't see 12 players participating. I was just posting the rule regarding the players departing the field at the snap is a live ball sub. foul. If in fact 12 players were in the formation then that would be a participation foul.

[RealityCheck]

Originally Posted by JasonTX

Can you post a copy of the video. I didn't see 12 players participating. I was just posting the rule regarding the players departing the field at the snap is a live ball sub. foul. If in fact 12 players were in the formation then that would be a participation foul.

I don't have a way to post video. I will try to post images from the espn3 stream.

I counted only 11 at first excluding the players leaving because there was a holder with no kicker. The kicker was just out of frame even on widescreen 4 yards behind the holder. When the picture pulls back after the spike then you can see 12 players still on the field.

[TXMike]

There were 12 in the formation but were they really "participating" in the play when all the play was was a spike?

[RealityCheck]

Originally Posted by TXMike

There were 12 in the formation but were they really "participating" in the play when all the play was was a spike?

If they were lined up, they participated. Doesn't matter what type of play was run.

[ottobabble]

I just checked the highlight in HD and there were definitely 12 players in the formation!

I am guessing this should have been a 49 FG attempt instead of a 39 yard attempt.

[RealityCheck]

I just made a screen capture with the ball still in the QB's hands....12 UNC players between the numbers. No doubt it was illegal participation.

6 players in 3-point stance on the line and a wideout on the left side on the line to make 7 on the line of scrimmage.
Another wideout off the line on the left and a slot on the right. QB under center with the holder and kicker deep...5 in the backfield makes 12....this isn't the CFL or CIAU.

Wish I had a way to post the screencap.

[TXMike]

YouTube - North Carolina Tries To Lose Music City Bowl

[HLin NC]

I live in NC but have been a Tennessee fan since I was a kid. All 4 teams appeared to blunder at the end. Poor discipline by UT, bizaare play call and clock mgt. by UNC and the crew seemed disjointed. Davie kept referring to USC's as PF's. Of course this is the same announcer guy that referred to the Clausen brothers as CLOW-son in the past so its to be expected.

Not sure about the PF on the pass completion as I'm Fed. Did the launch have anything to do with it because the hit looked like it was with the shoulder by the UT DB? It was a good no call on the one where Davie was complaining about the late hit as A49 gave B42 a little shove at the end.

Since this was a Big 10 crew, I expected much better mic work by the WH. He lacked polish in his delivery. It was almost like he just got moved to R. He stammered and stumbled on just about every announcement.

UT deserved to lose given their play in the last 1:35.

[BktBallRef]

The head lineman threw the flag for illegal subsitution because there were four Tar Heels still running off the field when the ball was snapped. I don't think the R or U counted the players in the formation.

I was real disappointed the UT Qb wasn't flagged for the double throat slash he gave to the Carolina sideline. Somebody's gotta see that and make the call.