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tjones1 Wed Nov 10, 2010 11:00pm

Back-Handspring Ejection
 
Not sure if this one has been posted or not (probably has)...

Either way, it's well worth your time.

YouTube - Cam Haas: Back-Handspring Ejection

Reffing Rev. Wed Nov 10, 2010 11:12pm

2 comments

1st: I think the LJ threw a second USC which resulted in the ejection.

2nd: GReat that the officials were in their coldest weather attire and the head coach on the near side was in shorts. (That was us week 8, black pants, long sleeves, and visiting coaches wore shorts)

JRutledge Thu Nov 11, 2010 12:22am

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Originally Posted by Reffing Rev. (Post 700466)
2nd: GReat that the officials were in their coldest weather attire and the head coach on the near side was in shorts. (That was us week 8, black pants, long sleeves, and visiting coaches wore shorts)

The coach gets ejected for this alone. ;)

Peace

Rich Thu Nov 11, 2010 04:15am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reffing Rev. (Post 700466)
2 comments

1st: I think the LJ threw a second USC which resulted in the ejection.

2nd: GReat that the officials were in their coldest weather attire and the head coach on the near side was in shorts. (That was us week 8, black pants, long sleeves, and visiting coaches wore shorts)

I immediately discount any football officials I see wearing striped coats. Have never worn one and never will. Neither will any crew I'm the CC of.

mbyron Thu Nov 11, 2010 06:38am

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 700497)
I immediately discount any football officials I see wearing striped coats. Have never worn one and never will. Neither will any crew I'm the CC of.

I noticed the R's initial position long before I noticed the coat!

GoodwillRef Thu Nov 11, 2010 06:39am

The white hat by is body language seems to be a little irrate, he must be really cold. They are wearing head gators and huge gloves...how darn cold was it?

TXMike Thu Nov 11, 2010 07:05am

According to NOAA, the temp in Boone ranged from 33 to 39 on Nov 5 which was the date of this game. The coach clearly needs his head examined

JRutledge Thu Nov 11, 2010 07:35am

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 700497)
I immediately discount any football officials I see wearing striped coats. Have never worn one and never will. Neither will any crew I'm the CC of.

Funny you said that. I feel the same way. You can buy shirts that do the same thing as a coat. It looks stupid on the field.

Peace

Canned Heat Thu Nov 11, 2010 09:26am

I saw this on another site. It read that the coach mentioned this to the crew during the pre-game conference. The crew told the coach that it would be flagged...and they did it anyway. I believe the coach may have had a first USC on him already...and I believe the "back-flipper in motion" did also.

BktBallRef Thu Nov 11, 2010 09:34am

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjones1 (Post 700465)
Not sure if this one has been posted or not (probably has)...

Either way, it's well worth your time.

YouTube - Cam Haas: Back-Handspring Ejection

Already discussed in the middle school trick play thread.

Under the NCHSAA Ejection Policy, "any delayed, excessive or prolonged act by which a player attempts to focus attention upon himself," (9-5-1c) is considered taunting/baiting and results in an ejection. That includes waving the ball at a defender on a TD run or diving into the end zone. The ejection carries a one game suspension.

The coach was also assessed a USC foul because he was told prior to the game that the play was illegal and chose to run it anyway. As he had already been flagged for a player wearing a tinted visor, he was ejected for two USC fouls.

Also, the coach told NCPreps.com that he was misquoted. He said had he known the player would have been ejected, he would not have run the play.

Rich Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:02am

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 700506)
I noticed the R's initial position long before I noticed the coat!

Well, I was in a hurry and those coats are a huge pet peeve of mine. I know some crews that wear them in pregame and that doesn't happen on our crew since we simply don't own any. UnderArmour Cold Gear, yes. Gloves, yes. I've even been known to wear a hood. But a winter coat with stripes on it?

But now that you've made me look again.

My.....God. He's directly behind the QB and about 6-7 yards deep. He clearly doesn't move well on top of that -- a recipe for potential disaster. Then he throws his flag behind himself.

Probably a state final ref. :D

JRutledge Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:27am

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 700506)
I noticed the R's initial position long before I noticed the coat!



Quote:

Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 700545)
Well, I was in a hurry and those coats are a huge pet peeve of mine. I know some crews that wear them in pregame and that doesn't happen on our crew since we simply don't own any. UnderArmour Cold Gear, yes. Gloves, yes. I've even been known to wear a hood. But a winter coat with stripes on it?

When an official does something that just looks silly like that, it tells me a lot about them. It tells me that they do not have an attention to detail (rules, mechanics or philosophy). And that they likely are not going to do many other things right if you look that way. Whoever has said that it looks good to wear a jacket? There are many uniform choices to be warm and not wear a jacket.

I guess this is the basketball official in me, I can tell immediately when someone can or cannot officiate by how they look and just see them run up and down the field. I know it is cold, but I do not see anyone at any other level (other than High School......surprise!!!) wearing a jacket on the field. It just looks silly. I do not even need to look at his positioning to tell he looked silly. And when the official started pointing and gyrating, that is all I needed to know at the end of the day.

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 700545)
But now that you've made me look again.

My.....God. He's directly behind the QB and about 6-7 yards deep. He clearly doesn't move well on top of that -- a recipe for potential disaster. Then he throws his flag behind himself.

Probably a state final ref. :D

And you know he might be. But having been one I can tell you that just because you are a State Final official, certainly does not mean you got their purely on talent. There are a lot of factors to getting there and talent is just one of them. And no I am not saying politics, just saying that if you stay around long enough you might be able to get there under the right circumstances.

Peace

bkdow Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:59am

We, here in Minnesota do wear stripped jackets in lower level contests. There have been a number of games that I have officiated when the temperature is below 40 with a stiff wind. In a varsity game, it's a no-no but lower level games it is acceptable.

Most of us own them because they are reversible and we wear the black side out during pre-game and at half time on those cold, rainy, and this year extremely windy nights.

mbyron Thu Nov 11, 2010 12:02pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 700545)
Probably a state final ref in Wisconsin. :D

Fixed it for ya. ;)

Rich Thu Nov 11, 2010 12:23pm

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 700558)
Fixed it for ya. ;)

Well....maybe.

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jTheUmp Thu Nov 11, 2010 01:48pm

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Originally Posted by bkdow (Post 700557)
We, here in Minnesota do wear stripped jackets in lower level contests. There have been a number of games that I have officiated when the temperature is below 40 with a stiff wind. In a varsity game, it's a no-no but lower level games it is acceptable.

Most of us own them because they are reversible and we wear the black side out during pre-game and at half time on those cold, rainy, and this year extremely windy nights.

Agreed.
I will wear the striped jacket for lower level games where it's extremely cold, windy, or raining.... but I won't wear it ever for varsity games (other then black-side-out during warm-ups/halftime).

Only happened twice for me this year though.

grunewar Thu Nov 11, 2010 02:10pm

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Originally Posted by Reffing Rev. (Post 700466)
... and the head coach on the near side was in shorts.

Our local HS V FB Coach wear shorts regardless of the temps or weather.....

Of course, he has enough "insulation" to keep himself warm. ;)

jTheUmp Thu Nov 11, 2010 02:14pm

Maybe he's just subscribing to TMQ's "Cold Coach = Victory" theory.

parepat Thu Nov 11, 2010 02:47pm

I don't thin the player's actions alone warrant ejection. To me this is nothing more than a twist on the barking dog or forgotten tee plays. The players actions were meant to simply distract the defense. Unsportsmanlike? Certainly. Worthy of ejection? I don't think so.

Upper thirties and these guys are dressed like it's subzero.

parepat Thu Nov 11, 2010 02:53pm

Also, who is the guy that comes onto the field at the end of the video? No one seems to mind that he is out there.

BktBallRef Thu Nov 11, 2010 05:15pm

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Originally Posted by parepat (Post 700608)
I don't thin the player's actions alone warrant ejection. To me this is nothing more than a twist on the barking dog or forgotten tee plays. The players actions were meant to simply distract the defense. Unsportsmanlike? Certainly. Worthy of ejection? I don't think so.

It's not a situation where you have a choice. If your state association says certain actions result in an ejection, then you'd be smart to follow that policy. Otherwise, when the opposing coach sends the video in and asks why the player wasn't ejected, your season is going to be over.

As for their attire, I couldn't care less what people do to keep warm. Cold is relative to where you live. A 35 degree night might be great star gazing weather for you northerners but I remmeber a post on this board where a Florida official said he wears long sleeves when it hits 60.

There's no NCHSAA policy against coats. As my white hat says "I'm not getting cold or sick for any of you." http://www.runemasterstudios.com/gra...ages/sick3.gif

GoodwillRef Fri Nov 12, 2010 05:51am

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 700563)

Have you seen the video of this yet?

Rich Fri Nov 12, 2010 06:21am

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef (Post 700715)
Have you seen the video of this yet?

No, have you? I'd like to. I hope, *hope*, that there's something not being reported in the article and on the boards at wissports.net.

I'm in England, so I haven't really looked. Once I got my schedule, I booked a work trip for the week after my season ended. :)

mj Fri Nov 12, 2010 08:37am

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Originally Posted by GoodwillRef (Post 700715)
Have you seen the video of this yet?

I found it by searching under WAOW.

Canned Heat Fri Nov 12, 2010 09:45am

Quote:

Originally Posted by mj (Post 700733)
I found it by searching under WAOW.

Can you forward or pm the link to me..? Would be interested in seeing that.

bisonlj Fri Nov 12, 2010 11:26am

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 700563)

Wow. They may have gotten this right but why the guy under the left upright didn't signal anything is beyond me. Maybe he knew it went directly over the upright but didn't know if that made it good or no good. That's not an excuse and something someone working at this level should know. There are errors that can be made and there is a lack of rules knowledge.

GoodwillRef Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:07pm

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Originally Posted by bisonlj (Post 700751)
Wow. They may have gotten this right but why the guy under the left upright didn't signal anything is beyond me. Maybe he knew it went directly over the upright but didn't know if that made it good or no good. That's not an excuse and something someone working at this level should know. There are errors that can be made and there is a lack of rules knowledge.

If you stop the ball right when it reaches the goal post it is inside. IMO

parepat Fri Nov 12, 2010 02:23pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 700654)
It's not a situation where you have a choice. If your state association says certain actions result in an ejection, then you'd be smart to follow that policy. Otherwise, when the opposing coach sends the video in and asks why the player wasn't ejected, your season is going to be over.

As for their attire, I couldn't care less what people do to keep warm. Cold is relative to where you live. A 35 degree night might be great star gazing weather for you northerners but I remmeber a post on this board where a Florida official said he wears long sleeves when it hits 60.

There's no NCHSAA policy against coats. As my white hat says "I'm not getting cold or sick for any of you." http://www.runemasterstudios.com/gra...ages/sick3.gif

I agree. If my state association sends a directive that hand springs, cartwheels or triple sowcows result in automatic ejection, I will defintely comply.

Robert Goodman Fri Nov 12, 2010 04:02pm

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Originally Posted by parepat (Post 700614)
Also, who is the guy that comes onto the field at the end of the video? No one seems to mind that he is out there.

He's the one whose ball they borrowed. I think he needed it back.


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