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Oklahoma official Wed Sep 22, 2010 09:04pm

Pick plays
 
Is it a penalty if a defensive player get picked (knocked off) on a pass route so that another receiver can get open? If the ball is in the air? If the ball is not in the air?

BktBallRef Wed Sep 22, 2010 09:42pm

If another offensive player picks him, then it's pass interference, either way, once the ball is thrown.

Rich Wed Sep 22, 2010 09:49pm

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 693472)
If another offensive player picks him, then it's pass interference, either way, once the ball is thrown.

Unless, of course, the pass is behind the line of scrimmage.

BktBallRef Wed Sep 22, 2010 09:56pm

True, but I'll bet a game fee that's not what he's asking about.

Rich Wed Sep 22, 2010 10:24pm

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 693475)
True, but I'll bet a game fee that's not what he's asking about.

We get paid for this? :D

Who knows? I've had coaches scream for a flag when the pass is behind the line of scrimmage.

JugglingReferee Wed Sep 22, 2010 10:30pm

Canadian Ruling
 
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Originally Posted by Oklahoma official (Post 693469)
Is it a penalty if a defensive player get picked (knocked off) on a pass route so that another receiver can get open? If the ball is in the air? If the ball is not in the air?

CANADIAN RULING:

Because all B player are eligible, a defensive player being picked is OPI. 15 yards (unrestricted), repeat the down.

If the ball is not in the air, it's Illegal Contact on an Eligible Receiver and just 10 yards.

JRutledge Wed Sep 22, 2010 10:31pm

If it is done completely on purpose, every time this is illegal. But there are times when players run into each other too. Most of the time yes, a very small percentage no. Just because there is contact does not mean it is a foul.

Peace

Robert Goodman Wed Sep 22, 2010 10:31pm

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Originally Posted by Oklahoma official (Post 693469)
Is it a penalty if a defensive player get picked (knocked off) on a pass route so that another receiver can get open? If the ball is in the air? If the ball is not in the air?

If the player doing the picking is beyond the neutral zone at the time of contact, and the pass is either already in the air or thrown afterward during the down and touches someone or something beyond the neutral zone, then it's interference by A. Of course you have to determine who was obstructing whom to know whether the player of A was actually knocking off the player of B, or whether it was a nothing.

bossman72 Thu Sep 23, 2010 12:27pm

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 693472)
If another offensive player picks him, then it's pass interference, either way, once the ball is thrown.

OPI restrictions begin with the snap.

MD Longhorn Thu Sep 23, 2010 12:50pm

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Originally Posted by bossman72 (Post 693568)
OPI restrictions begin with the snap.

Well, yeah... but why did you underline "once the ball is thrown." Until the ball is thrown, any picking is just blocking. Once you have a thrown ball, then the picking (which may have happened before the throw) becomes OPI.

No pass, no OPI.

BroKen62 Thu Sep 23, 2010 04:03pm

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Originally Posted by Robert Goodman (Post 693481)
If the player doing the picking is beyond the neutral zone at the time of contact, and the pass is either already in the air or thrown afterward during the down and touches someone or something beyond the neutral zone, then it's interference by A.

Confused about the section i bolded. Is this something other than Fed interpretation? I read in my FED book that the only requirement was a ball that goes beyond the neutral zone. Could the something be the ground? What about a throw that lands OOB?

Scooby Thu Sep 23, 2010 08:33pm

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Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 693570)
Well, yeah... but why did you underline "once the ball is thrown." Until the ball is thrown, any picking is just blocking. Once you have a thrown ball, then the picking (which may have happened before the throw) becomes OPI.

No pass, no OPI.

I agree with Mike. You cannot have pass interference (offensive or defensive) unless the ball is in the air.

Robert Goodman Thu Sep 23, 2010 09:12pm

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Originally Posted by BroKen62 (Post 693591)
Confused about the section i bolded. Is this something other than Fed interpretation? I read in my FED book that the only requirement was a ball that goes beyond the neutral zone. Could the something be the ground?

Yes.
Quote:

What about a throw that lands OOB?
It's still got to touch someone or something to be OOB.

On further review, I see Fed & NCAA rules use the phrase "crosses the neutral zone" as the criterion. Does that include cases where the ball crosses the neutral zone twice, due to a headwind?

Welpe Fri Sep 24, 2010 12:07am

Robert in NCAA if the ball is blown back across the neutral zone before touching something beyond the neural zone then it is not considered to have crossed the neutral zone.

wisref2 Mon Sep 27, 2010 12:17pm

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Originally Posted by Scooby (Post 693604)
I agree with Mike. You cannot have pass interference (offensive or defensive) unless the ball is in the air.

No - restrictions on the offense begin at the snap. For instance, A2 (a receiver), goes downfield and blocks B3. After the block, a forward pass is thrown beyond the LOS. You flag A2 for OPI.


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