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Spence Fri Sep 17, 2010 11:48pm

"Unnecessary Block" Flag
 
Let me preface this with the fact that I didn't hear this comment. I was only told this comment was made to a coach.

Play: Long run to the EZ. 20 or so yards behind the play there are some peelback blocks that are made when the runner is inside the 10. Flag is thrown. Supposedly the coach was told that it was due to the block being "unnecessary."

Would this fall under "unsportsmanlike?"

JasonTX Sat Sep 18, 2010 12:05am

Under NCAA rules it would be a personal foul, not unsportsmanlike.

Welpe Sat Sep 18, 2010 12:10am

Agree with Jason. Same thing in Fed. This is a personal foul for unnecessary roughness for blocking a player clearly out of the play.

BktBallRef Sat Sep 18, 2010 01:42am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spence (Post 692898)
Let me preface this with the fact that I didn't hear this comment. I was only told this comment was made to a coach.

Play: Long run to the EZ. 20 or so yards behind the play there are some peelback blocks that are made when the runner is inside the 10. Flag is thrown. Supposedly the coach was told that it was due to the block being "unnecessary."

Would this fall under "unsportsmanlike?"

Unsportsmanlike fouls are non-contact fouls. Personal fouls involve illegal contact.

JugglingReferee Sat Sep 18, 2010 05:52am

Canadian Ruling
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Spence (Post 692898)
Let me preface this with the fact that I didn't hear this comment. I was only told this comment was made to a coach.

Play: Long run to the EZ. 20 or so yards behind the play there are some peelback blocks that are made when the runner is inside the 10. Flag is thrown. Supposedly the coach was told that it was due to the block being "unnecessary."

Would this fall under "unsportsmanlike?"

CANADIAN RULING:

Players 20 and more yards behind the play when the ball is inside the 10 on an impending TD are 99% of the time out of the play. In these cases, hitting them as described is unnecessary. It's a UR foul, enforced 15 yards from PBH (where the ball was when the foul happened and assuming yards were gained) and no score. (If yards were not yet gained, enforce the 15 yards from PLS.)

JugglingReferee Sat Sep 18, 2010 05:54am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 692907)
Unsportsmanlike fouls are non-contact fouls. Personal fouls involve illegal contact.

This is the Canadian division of acts as well. We call them Unnecessary Roughness and Objectionable Conduct. UR are OC are not limited to these actions, though.

FTVMartin Sat Sep 18, 2010 08:45am

If the hit is clean and the defender saw it coming, most of the time, it's a "talk to" Could be a flag though. It depends on how the game is going.

jTheUmp Mon Sep 20, 2010 12:33pm

Fed rule 9.4.3b:
No player or nonplayer shall:
Charge into or throw an opponent to the ground after he is obviously out
of the play, or after the ball is clearly dead either in or out of bounds.

GoodwillRef Mon Sep 20, 2010 01:05pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by FTVMartin (Post 692923)
If the hit is clean and the defender saw it coming, most of the time, it's a "talk to" Could be a flag though. It depends on how the game is going.

Hitting a player obviously out of the play has no provision “if he saw the block coming”, If we don't get this is will lead to retaliation later in the game.

MD Longhorn Mon Sep 20, 2010 01:14pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by FTVMartin (Post 692923)
If the hit is clean and the defender saw it coming, most of the time, it's a "talk to" Could be a flag though. It depends on how the game is going.

I think the very fact that the hit came on a player that was out of the play, the hit is by definition NOT clean. Flag it. If not, you're asking for fights.

To the OP: Coach was told the hit was unnecessary, as in Unnecessary Roughness. Unsportsmanlike is a different animal, and treated differently.


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