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GoodwillRef Thu Sep 16, 2010 11:52am

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Originally Posted by bigjohn (Post 692594)
as is taking a knee to pray and pointing a finger to the sky!

Are you going to flag this?

Not in my game...!

bigjohn Thu Sep 16, 2010 11:55am

What if A88 just throws the grenade and no one goes down? Is that still a flag? Where do you draw the LINE!!!!

One finger in the air is fine, unless it is the wrong finger! 3 fingers and the kid is number 3 do you flag that? Chest bumps?

GoodwillRef Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:02pm

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Originally Posted by bigjohn (Post 692632)
What if A88 just throws the grenade and no one goes down? Is that still a flag? Where do you draw the LINE!!!!

If A88 just throw a grenade and nobody fell down I probably wouldn't know it was a hand grenade. Take a knee to pray real quick is not an unsporting act IMO! We all must dry our own lines in the sand.

bigjohn Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:07pm

The rule has nothing to do with sporting act, it is about drawing attention to oneself!

mbyron Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:08pm

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Originally Posted by GoodwillRef (Post 692633)
We all must dry our own lines in the sand.

That's my thought (well, I used "draw" in my thought, but still...). Sometimes, you just have to officiate. :shrug:

GoodwillRef Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:11pm

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Originally Posted by bigjohn (Post 692634)
The rule has nothing to do with sporting act, it is about drawing attention to oneself!

IMO this is getting pretty ticky-tack. We don't want to over-officiate.

MD Longhorn Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:18pm

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Originally Posted by bigjohn (Post 692594)
as is taking a knee to pray and pointing a finger to the sky!

The difference is not the choreography, but the fact that multiple players were involved in the skit in the first situation.

Now ... here's where I'm going to get blasted, but I'm prepared.

Honestly, every time I see someone do the pray and point thing, I'm thinking the guy is a showboat. Look at me! I'm religious! A truly humble man would not do this. Like God is the reason he scored. Give me a break - what about the equally religious safety you just toasted. God favors you over him? Like Don Henley says,

"And we pray to our Lord, who we know is American. He reigns from on high. He speaks to us through middlemen and he shepherds his flock. We sing out and we praise his name. He supports us in war; he presides over football games."

Ludicrous. And the praying and pointing is just another version of "Look at me"

Eastshire Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:19pm

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Originally Posted by bigjohn (Post 692634)
The rule has nothing to do with sporting act, it is about drawing attention to oneself!

Unless the player thinks he's god (which is not entirely out of the question), he's not trying to draw attention to himself.

MD Longhorn Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:20pm

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Originally Posted by Eastshire (Post 692638)
Unless the player thinks he's god (which is not entirely out of the question), he's not trying to draw attention to himself.

Why's he doing it then? Does he really think that if he waits to thank God in private, that God won't notice or realize he's referring to the TD he just scored? It is ABSOLUTELY trying to draw attention to himself.

Welpe Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:21pm

Thanks Tanner. :p

bkdow Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:24pm

religious??
 
So we are going to question a religious act? Next will we bring race into it? A choregraphed celebration is not a spontaneous celebration....15 yards USC.

GoodwillRef Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:25pm

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Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 692637)
The difference is not the choreography, but the fact that multiple players were involved in the skit in the first situation.

Now ... here's where I'm going to get blasted, but I'm prepared.

Honestly, every time I see someone do the pray and point thing, I'm thinking the guy is a showboat. Look at me! I'm religious! A truly humble man would not do this. Like God is the reason he scored. Give me a break - what about the equally religious safety you just toasted. God favors you over him? Like Don Henley says,

"And we pray to our Lord, who we know is American. He reigns from on high. He speaks to us through middlemen and he shepherds his flock. We sing out and we praise his name. He supports us in war; he presides over football games."

Ludicrous. And the praying and pointing is just another version of "Look at me"

I will agree that some might just be doing it to showboat, but what about the kid that is truley religious (Time Tebow type)? That is a slippery slope that I don't want to go down.

MD Longhorn Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:26pm

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Originally Posted by GoodwillRef (Post 692644)
I will agree that some might just be doing it to showboat, but what about the kid that is truley religious (Time Tebow type)? That is a slippery slope that I don't want to go down.

It's not really a slippery slope. I'm still not flagging it anyway. I'm just thinking showboat.

I probably don't flag the choreographed grenade either until his teammates join in.

GoodwillRef Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:27pm

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Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 692640)
Why's he doing it then? Does he really think that if he waits to thank God in private, that God won't notice or realize he's referring to the TD he just scored? It is ABSOLUTELY trying to draw attention to himself.

It is our job to judge each act on its own merits...I don't think we can lump all situations after touchdowns into one category.

JRutledge Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:28pm

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Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 692640)
Why's he doing it then? Does he really think that if he waits to thank God in private, that God won't notice or realize he's referring to the TD he just scored? It is ABSOLUTELY trying to draw attention to himself.

Then flag it. Who cares what you do, but EVERYONE ELSE is not. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/s...aughing001.gif

Peace


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