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stegenref Fri Sep 10, 2010 01:17pm
Taping up weight end of flag
 
I've heard you're supposed to tape up the weighted end of your flag with white athletic tape, so the crowd doesn't see the yellow part sticking out of your pants. What's the best way to do that? And why don't the manufacturers just make that ball part white?

I tried taping up the weight on my flag last week right before a game and I thought it looked really sloppy.

Refsmitty Fri Sep 10, 2010 01:20pm
Flag
 
Just bought a couple of black end flags at Honigs - takes care of that problem.

Welpe Fri Sep 10, 2010 01:25pm
You need to work several layers over the flag to get it smoothed out. Honigs and other companies sell white ball flags but I find them to be too lightweight.

I just use a Honig's long toss flag and leave it alone. Everybody knows we have flags.

Rich Fri Sep 10, 2010 01:53pm
Taping a flag to hide it is, well, stupid.

Taping a flag's ball with black electrical tape to give it more weight and a better controlled throw (especially long distance) is a better reason to do it.

Texas Aggie Sat Sep 11, 2010 07:04pm
There's no reason to tape a flag, ever. If its torn, get another one -- they're cheap. (I do have old flags for weather games, but they are still in one piece.) If you insist on non-yellow showing, there are ones with both white and black ball ends. If you need something heavier, there are heavy weighted flags.

A trip to Honig's website solves all these issues.

JRutledge Sat Sep 11, 2010 07:21pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Refsmitty (Post 691758)
Just bought a couple of black end flags at Honigs - takes care of that problem.
Yep. I have both black and white tipped flags depending on the pants I wear.

Quote:
Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 691765)
Taping a flag to hide it is, well, stupid.
I would not call it stupid at all. I have had coaches talk about what they think you were going to do by looking at what you reached for. The is the reason I do not think you should stick your flag in your back pocket (Maryland-Northern Illinois comes to mind several years ago). It is much harder for those to see what you are grabbing or if anything. Not to say this solves everything, but I see the purpose by doing this as nothing else we wear is yellow. I also think it looks better than a flag hanging out of your belt all the time. Also I wear two flags on my belt and it looks like you are gunning for people if you have multiple flags clearly seen. And as a BJ is is very common I will have two flags on a given play considering my position and the nature of the position.

Peace

Rich Sat Sep 11, 2010 07:47pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 691934)
Yep. I have both black and white tipped flags depending on the pants I wear.



I would not call it stupid at all. I have had coaches talk about what they think you were going to do by looking at what you reached for. The is the reason I do not think you should stick your flag in your back pocket (Maryland-Northern Illinois comes to mind several years ago). It is much harder for those to see what you are grabbing or if anything. Not to say this solves everything, but I see the purpose by doing this as nothing else we wear is yellow. I also think it looks better than a flag hanging out of your belt all the time. Also I wear two flags on my belt and it looks like you are gunning for people if you have multiple flags clearly seen. And as a BJ is is very common I will have two flags on a given play considering my position and the nature of the position.

Peace
Your opinion. I think it's idiotic. If I reach for a flag, it's going on the ground.

I've taped mine for 2 years now, but only because I like the weighting better. I haven't found a weighted flag with the right balance until I took an old flag and some electrical tape and experimented a bit.

JRutledge Sat Sep 11, 2010 08:18pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 691936)
Your opinion. I think it's idiotic. If I reach for a flag, it's going on the ground.

I've taped mine for 2 years now, but only because I like the weighting better. I haven't found a weighted flag with the right balance until I took an old flag and some electrical tape and experimented a bit.
Fair enough. But I have not seen any wait that the flag reasonably adds to the flag at all. I simply did that to hide the yellow on the uniform. And if you look at my football pictures you will see the picture with my black pants and you have no idea I have flags on me. That is why I do that.

Peace

BktBallRef Sat Sep 11, 2010 09:28pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by stegenref (Post 691756)
And why don't the manufacturers just make that ball part white?
They do.

http://www.honigs.com/images/detail/F71W.jpg


Honig's Whistle Stop - F71W - WHITE BALL NYLON PENALTY FLAG

JugglingReferee Sun Sep 12, 2010 06:17am
Quote:
Originally Posted by stegenref (Post 691756)
I've heard you're supposed to tape up the weighted end of your flag with white athletic tape, so the crowd doesn't see the yellow part sticking out of your pants. What's the best way to do that? And why don't the manufacturers just make that ball part white?

I tried taping up the weight on my flag last week right before a game and I thought it looked really sloppy.
What silly practice. Everyone knows we have flags. It's no secret. There's no need to hide them.

stegenref Sun Sep 12, 2010 09:06am
Pictures
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 691938)
And if you look at my football pictures you will see the picture with my black pants and you have no idea I have flags on me.Peace
What pictures? I'd like to see some examples of what other people do.

JRutledge Sun Sep 12, 2010 01:29pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by stegenref (Post 691978)
What pictures? I'd like to see some examples of what other people do.
I was talking to Rich as he has access to some pictures of my crew we took last year.

Peace

stegenref Mon Sep 13, 2010 07:49am
Colored flags
 
So I got on Honig's this weekend and ordered a white tipped flag and a black tipped flag...so I'll see which one looks better. Thanks for your input guys.

parepat Mon Sep 13, 2010 08:29am
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 691765)
Taping a flag to hide it is, well, stupid.

Taping a flag's ball with black electrical tape to give it more weight and a better controlled throw (especially long distance) is a better reason to do it.
Is the there a reason WHite tape is "stupid", but black electrical tape isn't. WHat is heavier a pound of white athletic tape or a pound of black electrical tape?

HLin NC Mon Sep 13, 2010 10:45am
Black is historically a slimming color so white would be heavier!:D

<insert laughy face thing here>

mbyron Mon Sep 13, 2010 12:59pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by HLin NC (Post 692073)
Black is historically a slimming color so white would be heavier!:D
Try videotaping it: they say the camera adds 10 pounds. ;)

Canned Heat Mon Sep 13, 2010 01:10pm
I have black-ended for our pants and white-ended for our knickers, but keeping the white ended ones white is a battle of fruition. I do like the fact that it does get hidden a little bit. I'm with Rich on this...If I pull it...it's almost certainly going down. However...Anyone who tells you they've never reached and then backed off of a flag throw is either lying or is in their first year.

I do like the fact that the flags can be hidden to a certain degree. If you're wearing flags, bags, a Ready-Ref timer and a towel...you start to look like you're wearing Bat Man's utility belt out there.

Rich Mon Sep 13, 2010 01:11pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by parepat (Post 692054)
Is the there a reason WHite tape is "stupid", but black electrical tape isn't. WHat is heavier a pound of white athletic tape or a pound of black electrical tape?
Taping to hide the flag is stupid. I thought I made it quite clear that I put tape on in order to get the balance and weighting right, not cause I didn't want (gasp!) a coach to see my flag.

I used black cause it's heavier and you don't need to wrap it as much to get the same weight. I tried athletic tape and I just didn't like it. If someone will send me flag-colored electrical tape, I'll use that.

JRod37 Tue Sep 14, 2010 02:55pm
I don't get why reaching for a flag and not throwing it is a bad thing. It tells everyone that you thought about it and didn't make some knee-jerk reaction. When I see an official grab at but not throw a flag, at least I know his head is in the game. He's taking 2 seconds to think about what happened and make sure he's making the right call. Anyone who questions whether you should have thrown a flag just because you grabbed for it is just looking for a reason - any reason - to question you.

Off soap-box now.

MD Longhorn Tue Sep 14, 2010 03:10pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by parepat (Post 692054)
Is the there a reason WHite tape is "stupid", but black electrical tape isn't. WHat is heavier a pound of white athletic tape or a pound of black electrical tape?
Read much? He didn't say white was stupid and black wasn't. He said taping it to hide it is stupid, and taping it to give it the right weight is not.

ODJ Wed Sep 15, 2010 12:48am
And it's not heavy enough.

Tape it up. Sandwich wrap the ball. Tape it on. Stays clean.

JRutledge Wed Sep 15, 2010 02:29am
Someone needs to explain to me what is the reason they make these flags with with and black tops. Because they did not make the black flags until they started selling the black pants. And if they are not heavy enough what is the reason these flags are made? :)

Peace

Rich Wed Sep 15, 2010 08:23am
Quote:
Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 692374)
Someone needs to explain to me what is the reason they make these flags with with and black tops. Because they did not make the black flags until they started selling the black pants. And if they are not heavy enough what is the reason these flags are made? :)

Peace
Because a lot of officials buy into the (stupid, IMO) mindset that flags should be hidden away until they magically appear on the field.

To the poster a few posts above: It's not great to reach for the flag and pass on it -- it shows indecision and will make both sidelines unhappy. Same for the basketball official that starts raising his hand to call a foul and then thinks better of it and brings his hand down. I can talk my way out of such a situation, but it's better to have a bit slower timing and not reach in the first place.

And the poster above is right -- everyone will do it in their careers and I don't see how that changes if the flag is black or yellow -- you still see the hand reaching for the belt.

Welpe Wed Sep 15, 2010 08:31am
Quote:
Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 692374)
And if they are not heavy enough what is the reason these flags are made? :)

Peace
I don't know why but Honig's regular ball flags (not long toss) are all too light. I bought a plain yellow one this season in hopes that it would be heavier and it wasn't. Any bit of wind will catch the flag and carry it around.

I took Rich's suggestion and taped it up with black electrical tape and now the weight is just right.

Rich, any suggestions for applying the tape? It was nice and taught at first but has started to loosen up some.

Rich Wed Sep 15, 2010 08:38am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 692394)
I don't know why but Honig's regular ball flags (not long toss) are all too light. I bought a plain yellow one this season in hopes that it would be heavier and it wasn't. Any bit of wind will catch the flag and carry it around.

I took Rich's suggestion and taped it up with black electrical tape and now the weight is just right.

Rich, any suggestions for applying the tape? It was nice and taught at first but has started to loosen up some.
Layers. And once it starts coming off, reapply it from scratch. I think I tried using long pieces of tape and just went around the ball end as many times as I could before cutting the tape.

I must've gotten lucky, because I applied the last layer around Week 8 of the season last year and I've used that flag for about 10 games this season so far and it's still in great shape.

I agree with Honig's flags -- even their long toss flag is inadequate, IMO. And I'm mainly a white hat, who rarely has to launch one.

Welpe Wed Sep 15, 2010 08:40am
Thanks, I'll keep tinkering with it until I get it right. I do like the weight of it though.

For those of you scoring at home, it also blends in well with the black shorts but that's not why I did it. ;)

The long toss works well for me though it took some getting used to as I was constantly over throwing the spot of the foul when I first started using it.

Dukat Wed Sep 15, 2010 09:14am
I actually like the black tip flags with knickers as well. With the black belt it blends well and also does not look as dirty after being thrown like the white tip flags did.

mbyron Wed Sep 15, 2010 09:31am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 692394)
It was nice and taught at first but has started to loosen up some.
Whoops. ;)

Welpe Wed Sep 15, 2010 09:42am
Quote:
Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 692402)
Whoops. ;)
This seems to work well...

That is not what I wrote.

[3 paragraphs later] :p

Whoops. :o

JRutledge Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:10am
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 692392)
Because a lot of officials buy into the (stupid, IMO) mindset that flags should be hidden away until they magically appear on the field.
Then why to officials put their flags in their front or side belt? That is the same reasoning too isn't it? ;)

Quote:
Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 692392)
And the poster above is right -- everyone will do it in their careers and I don't see how that changes if the flag is black or yellow -- you still see the hand reaching for the belt.
I do not think anyone said it was a game changer or something that is a career issue. But we do a lot of things as officials that are about procedure more than it is practicality. Heck why do we shine our shoe or why to officials cover any sign of other colors on their shoes but the black parts?

Peace

JRutledge Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:12am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 692394)
I don't know why but Honig's regular ball flags (not long toss) are all too light. I bought a plain yellow one this season in hopes that it would be heavier and it wasn't. Any bit of wind will catch the flag and carry it around.

I took Rich's suggestion and taped it up with black electrical tape and now the weight is just right.

Rich, any suggestions for applying the tape? It was nice and taught at first but has started to loosen up some.
Why not find some yellow tape to cover the flag if what color the flag is does not matter? :D

Peace

Welpe Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:15am
Well I didn't have yellow electrical tape in my garage. I did have black. I'm cheap. ;)

JRutledge Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:17am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 692414)
Well I didn't have yellow electrical tape in my garage. I did have black. I'm cheap. ;)
I get it, but I am just saying. BTW, do they make yellow electric tape?

Peace

Welpe Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:18am
I hear you. I figured black was OK because it is a color found on flags now. Now silver duct tape. Not so much.

It wouldn't surprise me if they made yellow electrical tape but I can't recall seeing it off hand.

Edit: Just searched on Google and they do in fact make it.

HLin NC Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:29am
Amazon.com: JVCC E-Tape Colored Electrical Tape: 3/4 in. x 22 yds. (Yellow): Home Improvement

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...500_AA300_.jpg

Welpe Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:47am
Maybe I'll get some in traffic vest yellow just to really make that flag show. :D

HLin NC Wed Sep 15, 2010 11:37am
"We can do this all day baby! I like this kind of party!" - Mike Singletary

IDENTI-TAPE - Decorative Glitter (Sparkle) Tape

http://www.identi-tape.com/photos/rGRM1fy_sm.jpg

JRutledge Wed Sep 15, 2010 11:39am
Somehow I knew this was going to take off. :D

Peace

Rich Wed Sep 15, 2010 11:39am
Quote:
Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 692415)
I get it, but I am just saying. BTW, do they make yellow electric tape?

Peace
If I had tape that matched my flag exactly, I'd use it. Since I don't and black and white are colors on us that I *do* have, I use those.

If my flag was weighted enough without the tape, I'd not bother with the tape at all.

Welpe Wed Sep 15, 2010 11:48am
Quote:
Originally Posted by HLin NC (Post 692431)
"We can do this all day baby! I like this kind of party!" - Mike Singletary

IDENTI-TAPE - Decorative Glitter (Sparkle) Tape

http://www.identi-tape.com/photos/rGRM1fy_sm.jpg
Sweet. Now all I need is some day-glo orange and I can create a fabulous tiger stripe motif.

HLin NC Wed Sep 15, 2010 11:54am
Welpe- you ain't gonna believe this!!!

http://www.luremaking.com/howto/images/tape-2.jpg

HLin NC Wed Sep 15, 2010 11:56am
Even better...

Amazon.com: Powerflex 2" Stretch Athletic Tape: Sports & Outdoors

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...oL._AA300_.jpg

I got a feeling your supervisor of officials will be stepping in pretty soon!:D

HLin NC Wed Sep 15, 2010 12:05pm
I've reloaded mine with salt water fishing sinkers so I had to tape them back together anyway. The tape cushions them up some with the extra weight I've added.

Originally I just used the white athletic tape that was laying around but since we are going to black pants this season, I decided to gussy one up with black electrical tape.

parepat Wed Sep 15, 2010 03:06pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 692296)
Read much? He didn't say white was stupid and black wasn't. He said taping it to hide it is stupid, and taping it to give it the right weight is not.
I do like to read. I prefer fiction to non and hardbound to paperbacks. Thanks for asking.

Do you always speak for Rich?

With_Two_Flakes Wed Sep 15, 2010 09:21pm
I think with all these wild coloured tapes, this thread has unwittingly found a concept for a new MTV show..........




wait for it...........




"Pimp my Flag" :eek:

Canned Heat Thu Sep 16, 2010 10:52am
Quote:
Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 692410)
Then why to officials put their flags in their front or side belt? That is the same reasoning too isn't it? ;)



I do not think anyone said it was a game changer or something that is a career issue. But we do a lot of things as officials that are about procedure more than it is practicality. Heck why do we shine our shoe or why to officials cover any sign of other colors on their shoes but the black parts?

Peace
I've worn mine in front...toward my right side in front of my hip as long as I can remember. As an Ump most Fridays and Ref all other times, it's easy to grab and go...and it goes nowhere..as in doesn't fall out. Nothing to do with hiding it. I think it looks better. I know guys who've taken some jabs for hiding their flags so well it was to the point the coaching staffs wonder that you may not be throwing it because you don't have it. For me, it's easy to find without thinking about it and it's become second nature. We've all seen guys in other crews or guys we've worked with that pull the back pocket hanky and then have the rabbit ear on their rear for awhile or have a heck of a time getting it out of there, which looks amusing to most. My bean bag goes thru my belt on my left in front of the hip. I use the longer, thin blue NFL-type model.

GoodwillRef Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:32pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Canned Heat (Post 692100)
I have black-ended for our pants and white-ended for our knickers, but keeping the white ended ones white is a battle of fruition. I do like the fact that it does get hidden a little bit. I'm with Rich on this...If I pull it...it's almost certainly going down. However...Anyone who tells you they've never reached and then backed off of a flag throw is either lying or is in their first year.

I do like the fact that the flags can be hidden to a certain degree. If you're wearing flags, bags, a Ready-Ref timer and a towel...you start to look like you're wearing Bat Man's utility belt out there.
Why wouldn't you use the black flags with your white pants also? The black flags blends in with your black belt not your white pants (3 inches below your belt).

Canned Heat Fri Sep 17, 2010 12:34pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoodwillRef (Post 692652)
Why wouldn't you use the black flags with your white pants also? The black flags blends in with your black belt not your white pants (3 inches below your belt).
I don't leave enough to hang over my belt...just the ball protrudes out the top, and the entire tail section of the flag is stuffed down the front of my shorts/knicks/pants.

Could probably use either, you're right....or just go yellow. I can't handle any more verbal fist-fighting on here. :^)

Coach Jinx Fri Sep 17, 2010 04:55pm
When I first started we had a engineer on our crew who had all these eletrical tape colors & we all taped out game flags white. Sure everyone knows we have flags but life is about perception. When you come out there double barrelled first time you throw a flag for anything they are going to think "oh look at this guy". Not seeing them gives a better perception. If you don't think so, do it your way. I like the white electrical tape & I put the black tape on my lower level flag 6 years ago & now with the black pants Honigs come out with the black tipped flag. Do what you want, you always will, but there is a science to the madness

Canned Heat Wed Nov 03, 2010 03:08pm
Just got a black one today from a supply house....

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/e...01103-1501.jpg

Rich Wed Nov 03, 2010 03:31pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Canned Heat (Post 699490)
Just got a black one today from a supply house....

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/e...01103-1501.jpg
The look is fine, but the main reason I use electrical tape is the weighting. None of the flags sold by the supply houses have enough weight in the ball -- especially if you need to throw your flag 15 yards or more.

bkdow Wed Nov 03, 2010 03:50pm
I've not had a distance issue since my flag "broke in". One of my games this year as a LJ, I threw the flag for a holding after my U had turned to follow the play and it went right past his ear and landed past middle field. There was a little tail wind but not more than 10 mph. BTW, I did over-throw the spot.

On a still day, I can get about 25 yards on a good throw. If had the weighted one, I could maybe call fouls on my HL's side of the field like coaches want me to! :)

Canned Heat Wed Nov 03, 2010 03:56pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 699494)
The look is fine, but the main reason I use electrical tape is the weighting. None of the flags sold by the supply houses have enough weight in the ball -- especially if you need to throw your flag 15 yards or more.
Rich...you seriously should see this thing. It's far heavier on the end than any of the other flags I have/had....the weight feels like pellets more than soft sand like some seem to be.

Check your messages in a bit.

ppaltice Wed Nov 03, 2010 04:10pm
Is it more or less conspicuous than the white capped flag? I need a new flag and am curious. I also never had a problem with the weight in any of my flags.

Canned Heat Thu Nov 04, 2010 08:19am
Quote:
Originally Posted by ppaltice (Post 699507)
Is it more or less conspicuous than the white capped flag? I need a new flag and am curious. I also never had a problem with the weight in any of my flags.
I have one that I used to use....and my ump uses the same one currently, but the ball end is very, very light and feels like there's sand in it. That one is by far, lighter than this one. I don't know, maybe it's lost weight over time. This is a pic of me working a few weeks ago.....not looking too sharp with how my flags hang out....I can't imagine the black one wouldn't be less noticeable. And yes...that shirt has been retired, too.
http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/e...ics/aayfl1.jpg

For everyone's entertainment and "research purposes", at some point in the next day or two, I will weigh each of my flags on our digital scale here at work and post the results......I should probably get back to work.

Welpe Thu Nov 04, 2010 08:48am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Canned Heat (Post 699582)
not looking too sharp with how my flags hang out...
I think it looks fine. It is no surprise to anyone that we have them. Just my $0.02.

I like the grey collar...:D I bet that shirt still has some life as a foul weather shirt though.

Canned Heat Thu Nov 04, 2010 09:44am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 699585)
I think it looks fine. It is no surprise to anyone that we have them. Just my $0.02.

I like the grey collar...:D I bet that shirt still has some life as a foul weather shirt though.
It does....but I have had that for quite some time. Not a big fan of wearing a coat, and we were awarded the AAYFL Youth Championship this weekend in WI...so I'd like to look a bit more sharp. Another on field pic from that same weekend in the playoffs, the collar looks like hell, even from the press box. I have to admit, I am a solid proponent of any collar that doesn't scream Elvis or Wayne Newton. There are some new shirts now with collars that aren't quite as large and don't look like a hand me down from Mason "Red" Cashion....but to each his own.

stevegarbs Thu Nov 04, 2010 02:34pm
Oh good grief
 
This might be the silliest conversation on here since the A11 debates. The Honig's long toss flag (F71L) is my flag of choice as it is very heavy- easy to throw 20+ yards as necessary for those spot fouls.

Tape, don't tape, hide, don't hide, let's get back to some more helpful sharing of information!:(

MD Longhorn Thu Nov 04, 2010 02:40pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by stevegarbs (Post 699628)
This might be the silliest conversation on here since the A11 debates. The Honig's long toss flag (F71L) is my flag of choice as it is very heavy- easy to throw 20+ yards as necessary for those spot fouls.
Had a partner with one of those once. Boy, when a facemask or personal foul made you mad, you could sure take it out on the offender with this flag. Like getting hit with a bag of ball bearings! He threw it straight up on a foul at the snap once and took it on the head - and we never saw it again.

Rich Thu Nov 04, 2010 03:53pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by stevegarbs (Post 699628)
This might be the silliest conversation on here since the A11 debates. The Honig's long toss flag (F71L) is my flag of choice as it is very heavy- easy to throw 20+ yards as necessary for those spot fouls.

Tape, don't tape, hide, don't hide, let's get back to some more helpful sharing of information!:(
If you don't like it, there are ways to ignore the thread. Or users. Or maybe you could just ignore it and remember we're not here to meet your demands.

And some sharing you've done. 23 posts in 9 years. Don't strain yourself.

Canned Heat Thu Nov 04, 2010 03:58pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 699650)
If you don't like it, there are ways to ignore the thread. Or users. Or maybe you could just ignore it and remember we're not here to meet your demands.

And some sharing you've done. 23 posts in 9 years. Don't strain yourself.
Beat me to it Rich.

Stay tuned for my new installment next week on beanbags...long and skinny, short and wide, blue or white.

Rich Thu Nov 04, 2010 09:10pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Canned Heat (Post 699651)
Beat me to it Rich.

Stay tuned for my new installment next week on beanbags...long and skinny, short and wide, blue or white.
Skinny, blue. 1 (as the WH). Black tape on the flag. I don't care that it's hidden, but it's a side effect of the tape.

http://fronheiser.net/rich.jpg


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