Defense encroachment called too late.

[verticalStripes]

Fed Rules.

In a varisity game, a newer official called defensive encroachment as a live ball foul after the play has started. Obviously, this is a dead-ball foul using NFHS rules and the play SHOULD have been shutdown. After the play, the crew discussed how to enforce the penalty. On the play, the runner gained three yards. The crew enforced this as a live ball foul from the previous spot and replayed the down.

This happens quite often with newer officials at the lower levels. How would you enforce (or not) this in a varsity game?

[waltjp]

Nothing wrong with the enforcement but I would have put a few seconds back on the clock.

[Rob S]

We had the same thing last night, but instead of a 3 yard gain, it was about 60 yards for a TD. The official claimed he blew his whistle to stop the play, but no one on the field heard it. We ended up enforcing the penality, which made the home team (A) fans rather unhappy. But we just went by the rules; the play never happened.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Rob S

We had the same thing last night, but instead of a 3 yard gain, it was about 60 yards for a TD. The official claimed he blew his whistle to stop the play, but no one on the field heard it. We ended up enforcing the penality, which made the home team (A) fans rather unhappy. But we just went by the rules; the play never happened.

So you put time back on the clock?

[Rob S]

Looking back, we technically should have put the time back on the clock, but we didn't. We were too busy dealing with the fact that we knew we basically had to penalize the offense (or so it seemed to fans and the teams) for a defensive encroachment foul because the play never should have happened. There was no doubt among the R, U, and me as what we needed to do.

I think our HL (who made the call) was timid about blowing his whistle on that play because he had an IW earlier in the game on an illegal formation penality. Not an excuse, but it certainly was not a good first half for him.

[BktBallRef]

Pick it up, wave it off, and take his flag from him!

[verticalStripes]

I agree with Bktballref. Pick it up and eat it. To make matters worse, the coach of B in the situation I described requested a coach-referee conference to discuss a misapplication of a rule!

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by Rob S

We had the same thing last night, but instead of a 3 yard gain, it was about 60 yards for a TD. The official claimed he blew his whistle to stop the play, but no one on the field heard it. We ended up enforcing the penality, which made the home team (A) fans rather unhappy. But we just went by the rules; the play never happened.

You have to enforce the penalty, and whatever the results of the action, the play, in fact, never happened. To avoid this, the calling official has to stay on the line and continue blowing his whistle and signalling time out UNTIL the action stops.

Of course once any of the other officials hears that whistle, or sees the time out signal, they should also blow their whistles and signal Time Out UNTIL the action stops.

You have to keep reminding yourself, it's not your whistle that kills the play. The whistle only alerts everybody that the defensive player who encroached has killed the play.