scrimmage kick
 

a scrimmage kick that comes to a complete stop with the receiving team not making an attempt to pick up the ball, can the kicking team just touch the ball to down it without possessing it? would you blow it dead or consider it first touching if the player just touches it? if i can get a rule or page number i would greatly appreciate it.

I can't cite current references, but in all USAn codes those conditions don't even require a touching; the ball is dead if it stops with R making no attempt. Even in Canadian rules now if both K & R are making no attempt on it, it's dead.

4.2.2.f

ART. 2 . . . The ball becomes dead and the down is ended:
f. When the kickers catch or recover any free kick anywhere, and when the
kickers catch or recover a scrimmage kick beyond the neutral zone and
when the kickers are first (i.e., before any touching by the receivers) to
touch a scrimmage kick after it has come to rest beyond the neutral zone
and between the goal lines.

i think i found it. rule 6-2-5.

Looks to me like ddn found it too.

gee thanks.

No problem, just trying to be a blessing.:D

Canadian Ruling
 

CANADIAN RULING:

Eventually an onside player or the punter will be downfield and will try to recover the live ball. So B will definitely try to recover the ball prior to that happening.

Good disguise. :D

Are you guys saying that the provisions that used to make a loose ball dead if nobody tried to play it are gone now?

Nothing I've posted implies that.