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It's a 5-yard face mask. There's no such animal in the NFL anymore.
That said, the R would have a hard time seeing that -- he's bagging the fumble and watching the ball being retrieved -- so if there was a turn of the mask it would be a stretch to assume it would've been gotten by Green, although the U may have had a flag there. I'm glad the ball was picked in the air, otherwise it might've been a replay of the tuck rule. 
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Can someone help me out with NFL rule?
(btw, I completely agree that there is not enough there for a 15 yard facemask.) but I'm having another conversation with someone who's claiming that there can be no penalty (facemask or otherwise) while a fumble is loose. I pointed out that in NCAA, you can do certain things--like block in the back or clip--in an effort to recover a loose ball. but you still can't hold, facemask, slug, etc. problem is, I think some people have the perception that "all bets are off" when someone fumbles in the NFL. and in fact, that's what some are telling me. but that can't be the case, right? I mean, there's no way that the NFL rules allow a player to kick another player simply because someone fumbled 30 yards downfield. that simply makes no sense. but since I don't have an NFL rulebook, I can't be 1000% sure. little help here. thanks!
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What amazes me is that all the fans don't understand the 5 yard facemask rule. They are reading into it thinking that all facemasks are 15 yarders, but that is incorrect. Maybe Mike P will inform the misinformed that the 5 yard variety is now legal.
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As others have pointed out, there must be a twisting and pulling on the facemask for a penalty to be called.
Official NFL Rule Book 2009 Rule 12, Section 2, Article 5: No player shall twist, turn, or pull the facemask of an opponent in any direction. Penalty: For twisting, turning, or pulling the mask: loss of 15 yards. The player may be disqualified if the action is judged by the official(s) to be of a flagrant nature. A.R. 12.12 Third-and-10 on A30. Runner A1 runs to the A33, where he is tackled by B1, who incidentally grasps A1's face mask on the tackle, but it is not a twist, turn, or pull. Ruling: A's ball, fourth-and-seven, on A33. No foul Also, if the face mask would of been called, it would of been a 15 yard penalty coupled with an automatic first down from the previous spot. Green Bay's ball 1st-and-10 from their 39. Last edited by APG; Tue Jan 12, 2010 at 11:54am.
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Can you enlighten us on a 5 yd facemask in the NFL??
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so we can have a 5 yarder???
or that they did away with the 5 yard variety and only have the 15 yard option left??
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