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Adam Sun Dec 27, 2009 07:43pm

Stokley ejection
 
During the Denver game today, Stokley was ejected for contacting an official while arguing about what he thought should have been a pass interference call. Personally, as a Bronco fan, I thought it was a good flag. My question is, is the ejection automatic with any sort of contact?

The contact was, essentially, on the BJ's outstretched fingers as Stokley threw his arms in frustration while he turned to walk away. Personally, I think the ejection was good even if some discretion is allowed in this case, but i was just wondering if the NFL views this as judgment free.

HLin NC Sun Dec 27, 2009 08:06pm

Intentionally contacting an official is an ejection under all codes, I believe. He'll get a fine on Tuesday also. My only question would be was it intentional?

johnSandlin Sun Dec 27, 2009 08:16pm

Based on the replay, I do not think there was anything but intent on Stokely's part. I will also not be surprised if the league does suspend Stokely for the next week's game.

UmpireErnie Sun Dec 27, 2009 08:21pm

The player is already pushing the acceptable behavior envelope by arguing the call so demonstratively. Making contact with the official in this context I believe goes over the line, regardless of whether or not it was intentional. The onus was on the player to control his actions.

The ejection is a good call IMO.

TXMike Sun Dec 27, 2009 08:29pm

I seem to recall an incident earlier in the year when a player did something similar amd was not ejected but the League essentially chastised the crew for not booting him

Rich Sun Dec 27, 2009 08:42pm

You runs that far to yell and gesture at an official and you takes your chances. Just sayin'.

Sonofanump Sun Dec 27, 2009 09:13pm

Looks intentional to me.

YouTube - Brandon Stokley Ejected For slapping Ref .. Broncos vs. Eagles

jaybird Sun Dec 27, 2009 10:00pm

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Originally Posted by Sonofanump (Post 646271)
Looks intentional to me.

Agreed. Good decision on the part of the official for USC and DQ.

bossman72 Sun Dec 27, 2009 10:20pm

Stokely running 30 yds to argue with me would draw a flag immediately from me (even before he said a word). How about you?

TXMike Sun Dec 27, 2009 10:23pm

This is not baseball, softball, or basketball. No flag for that.

mv7267 Mon Dec 28, 2009 05:53am

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Originally Posted by bossman72 (Post 646290)
Stokely running 30 yds to argue with me would draw a flag immediately from me (even before he said a word). How about you?

Agreed. Coulda, shoulda been 2 USCs for 30 yards. I've never seen that in the NFL however.

grunewar Mon Dec 28, 2009 07:13am

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Originally Posted by TXMike (Post 646292)
This is not baseball, softball, or basketball. No flag for that.

Most every game you can see a player or coach vent their frustration at what they believe to be a bad call - you see them leap into the air, jump up and down, pound the ground, throw their hands in the air in exasperation, wag their fingers, etc. and NOTHING happens in the way of a penalty as they are far enough from an official that it is “ignored.”

To intentionally go toward and official and do it that close – you get what you earned.

Sonofanump Mon Dec 28, 2009 09:32am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bossman72 (Post 646290)
Stokely running 30 yds to argue with me would draw a flag immediately from me (even before he said a word). How about you?

NFHS- Absolutely
NCAA- Most likely
NFL- Maybe not

Rich Mon Dec 28, 2009 10:34am

Quote:

Originally Posted by TXMike (Post 646292)
This is not baseball, softball, or basketball. No flag for that.

Maybe not in the NFL. On Friday nights, though, absolutely.

missingnumber7 Mon Dec 28, 2009 03:40pm

It baffles me as to how contact with an official such at this, which we can all argue weather it was intentional or not, deems immediate ejection. However actions in the past few weeks in the NFC East Primtime games between the Giants/Eagles and Giants/Redskins where there were fights and only 1 ejection and 0 suspensions. I agree 100% that Stokely diserved the USC flag, weather or not the call was missed on the holding/PI on the play prior.

bisonlj Mon Dec 28, 2009 05:54pm

When there is a mess of players and lots of activity going on it's entirely possible for one of the officials to not see a specific punch. Kind of hard for him to miss direct contact with his own body with only one player involved in the middle of the field. That doesn't excuse any missed punches in the games you mention but it may help you understand it.

jjrye22 Tue Dec 29, 2009 04:00am

How anyone could argue that it was not intentional is beyond me.
The BJ was pointing (I would assume telling him to go to his sideline) and the player slapped the BJs hand - very similar to how my 3 year old does when I tell her to do something she doesn't like.

ajmc Tue Dec 29, 2009 11:11am

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Originally Posted by jjrye22 (Post 646569)
How anyone could argue that it was not intentional is beyond me.
The BJ was pointing (I would assume telling him to go to his sideline) and the player slapped the BJs hand - very similar to how my 3 year old does when I tell her to do something she doesn't like.

That phase of life, where a daughter will quietly accept being told to do something she doesn't like, usually ends at about 3 yrs old. Good luck.

johnnyg08 Tue Dec 29, 2009 11:32am

He charged the official...you can't imagine what came out of his mouth, then waved his hand contacting the official...this is an EJ. Good Call.

JasonTX Tue Dec 29, 2009 12:11pm

Charging the official like that should have been 1 flag. Contacting him would have been the 2nd. Player is ejected and both 15 yarders marked off.

JugglingReferee Tue Dec 29, 2009 12:53pm

Contacting an official like that after running 30+ yards is an EJ in any league.

Texas Aggie Wed Dec 30, 2009 02:38pm

He slapped at the hand. No brainer ejection.

Its one thing to get a bit close, lose your balance or accidentally brush an official, but this was contact that was intentional. Even if he didn't actually intend to make contact with the official, he fully intended to make the slap.

umpirebob71 Wed Dec 30, 2009 04:21pm

I get bumped all the time working the middle. I'd like to think none of them were on purpose.

jjrye22 Mon Jan 04, 2010 03:15am

They probably weren't, but sometimes...
Ends of last season there was a video posted for a high school game where a safety went FAR out of his way to tackle the U in the back during one of the last plays of the game (he was upset that their team didn't get into a playoff or something and wanted to take it out on the crew).

JRutledge Mon Jan 04, 2010 06:00am

Quote:

Originally Posted by TXMike (Post 646292)
This is not baseball, softball, or basketball. No flag for that.

And that is the problem with football officiating (mentality) if you ask me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by umpirebob71 (Post 647051)
I get bumped all the time working the middle. I'd like to think none of them were on purpose.

I am sure that is the case as I get bumped sometimes. But I do not have players running several yards at me to argue a call either.

Peace

insatty Wed Jan 06, 2010 06:09pm

I agree with the UNS and the EJ. But I wonder about the no-DPI call. It looks like a classic hook and turn. I can't tell if pass was uncatchable. Did Stokely have a point?

ajmc Wed Jan 06, 2010 06:21pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by umpirebob71 (Post 647051)
I get bumped all the time working the middle. I'd like to think none of them were on purpose.

Getting "bumped" is an inherent part of the job of Umpire and goes with the territoty. Knowing the difference between getting "bumped" and being "hit" is an absolutel necessity. It's the same difference between being bumped and being assaulted.

Considering all levels of football, getting ejected from an NFL game is probably the most difficult environment to be disqualified from. Despite the reluctance to disqualify NFL players, this instance was a no-brainer.

procivil Sun Jan 10, 2010 02:30pm

Clearly Intentional
 
When a player runs 30 yards to confront an official, any contact that occurs from that point, to me, should be ruled intentional. Good call on the ejection.


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