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Rich Mon Dec 28, 2009 11:22am
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Originally Posted by Sonofanump (Post 646367)
I just want to make sure that we are talking about the same thing. This is NCAA. The competition to get into (D3, NAIA) is pretty tough. The competition to move up to where she is at (small D1) is insaine. This is her 9the year on the field total. Not too many officials are working D1 bowl games by their 9th year. Is she good? Yes. Is she being promoted? Yes. I imagine that she is seeing similar treatment that someone with the last name of Perry or Houculi is seeing. The name can get you there, but your ability allows you to stay.



I think this is at the high school level, at least all the one's I've seen are.
She did do 10 years at other levels before moving up, though -- right?

Umpmazza Mon Dec 28, 2009 11:26am
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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 646353)
I hope you're aware that the same arguments were used to keep blacks and Latinos out of the officiating ranks for decades. "I am of the opinion that there are plenty of qualified white men to fill the officiating ranks without having the novelty of using minorities on the crew." Doesn't sound so harmless put like that, does it?
Im not a black or Latino, but dang you have a really good point there.

bisonlj Mon Dec 28, 2009 01:17pm
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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 646391)
She did do 10 years at other levels before moving up, though -- right?
She's in her 10th year now I believe. If she's working a bowl game this year, this wasn't her first year of college football. She has definitely moved up faster than most and I'm sure the fact that's she's a female helped her. But if she's qualified (and she appears to be), I don't fault her for taking advantage of the situation. I know an official who moved from D3 to the NFL in 5 years. Sometimes you just have to be in the right place at the right time and get seen by the right person.

Rich Mon Dec 28, 2009 01:41pm
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Originally Posted by bisonlj (Post 646421)
She's in her 10th year now I believe. If she's working a bowl game this year, this wasn't her first year of college football. She has definitely moved up faster than most and I'm sure the fact that's she's a female helped her. But if she's qualified (and she appears to be), I don't fault her for taking advantage of the situation. I know an official who moved from D3 to the NFL in 5 years. Sometimes you just have to be in the right place at the right time and get seen by the right person.
She worked HS games starting in 1999, but worked up to that for a few years like many do (working youth and MS games). This was her first season working a full CUSA schedule, according to the NYT article posted earlier this fall.

To work a bowl in her first full season in the conference? I can't imagine a typical recruit getting that kind of recognition.

jaybird Mon Dec 28, 2009 07:03pm
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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 646353)
I hope you're aware that the same arguments were used to keep blacks and Latinos out of the officiating ranks for decades. "I am of the opinion that there are plenty of qualified white men to fill the officiating ranks without having the novelty of using minorities on the crew." Doesn't sound so harmless put like that, does it?
Taken out of content, a lot of words can be twisted into a different meaning. Stay on task here.

Race is not an issue. It was never implied, suggested nor contemplated and anyone shallow enough to drag that into the picture must have an underlying problem with the color of a person's skin. So please, stick with the topic at hand and give up the attempt to make it a racial issue.

mbyron Mon Dec 28, 2009 09:08pm
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Originally Posted by jaybird (Post 646502)
Taken out of content, a lot of words can be twisted into a different meaning. Stay on task here.

Race is not an issue. It was never implied, suggested nor contemplated and anyone shallow enough to drag that into the picture must have an underlying problem with the color of a person's skin. So please, stick with the topic at hand and give up the attempt to make it a racial issue.
The topic at hand is discrimination, given your baldly discriminatory remark. You seem to be unaware that your argument has been used before. And you know what they say about those who cannot remember the past.

bossman72 Tue Dec 29, 2009 01:15pm
There are some people that will get pushes that others won't:

-Minorities
-Women
-Former D1 or NFL players
-Relatives of officials

Those criteria will move you up and get your foot in the door, but it sure as hell won't keep you there. You need to be able to work to stay at that level.

In the words of Chris Rock: "I don't feel I deserve a job over a white man that's more qualified. But if it's a tie... f*ck em!"

haha!

Rich Tue Dec 29, 2009 02:43pm
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Originally Posted by bossman72 (Post 646634)
There are some people that will get pushes that others won't:

-Minorities
-Women
-Former D1 or NFL players
-Relatives of officials

Those criteria will move you up and get your foot in the door, but it sure as hell won't keep you there. You need to be able to work to stay at that level.

In the words of Chris Rock: "I don't feel I deserve a job over a white man that's more qualified. But if it's a tie... f*ck em!"

haha!
Many officials are talented enough to stay there. It's getting the foot in the door that *is* the problem.


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