Texas v. Nebraska end of game
 

Does anyone know the correct ruling on whether the amount of time left in a half/game can be reviewed by replay officials?

I recently heard a Big Ten official speak and I am pretty sure he said that the time left on the clock is not reviewable. Maybe he was refering to a play a few years ago and the rule has since changed.

Are there specific references in the NCAA rulebok that speak to which kinds of plays are reviewable and for what purposes?

12-3-6 States:

The replay official may correct egregious errors, including those
involving the game clock, whether or not a play is reviewable.

I guess eliminating Texas' national title hopes falls under the "egregious rule". Otherwise, correcting a one second or less error would not be necessary, in my opinion.

I disagree. The size of the time discrepancy is less important than when it occurs.

9:03 vs 9:02 in the 3rd quarter is not a big discrepancy. :01 vs :00 in the game is big, regardless of whether national title hopes are on the line.

Did the Big 12 hire some former Russian basketball refs for this game?

Regardless of the technicalities, it is hard to avoid the general perception that "the fix was in."

Maybe by bitter Nebraska fans. Replay shows pretty definitively that there was 1 second left on the clock when the ball hit out of bounds. The Big XII didn't force Nebraska to kick the ball out of bounds nor to commit a crucial horse collar foul on the last drive.

Exactly. I saw the kick go out of bounds and thought, "geez, they shot themselves in the foot!" And then the HCT: "they just shot the other foot!"

Then why in the 4th quarter did the officials get the call wrong on the kickoff return when they ruled the ball dead at the Texas 1 yard line?

FWIW, I am a huge Nebraska fan as I have a great uncle who was the backfield coach under Devaney and Osborne and Nebraska has no one to blame but itself. The offense was horrendous the kick out of bounds was atrocious and the HCT sealed the deal.

I do however question (understand I do not attribute the loss to this at all) the two PI calls against Nebraska toward the end of the game. Ball seemed uncatchable to me both times. Thoughts, or was I just looking at these calls through my fan glasses?

Congrats to Texas on escaping your way into the BCS National Championship!

It's truly a shame, Cobra, that you cannot give Nebraske the credit they deserve for playing an absolutely outstanding defensive game in coming so close to pulling off the upset of the season. Only a real fool keeps jabbering about that which they've proven not to understand.

I said the very same thing to a guy in a bar I was watching who insisted that they wanted Texas to win. If they wanted them to win so bad, they continue this very play and give them a shot to not start at their one yard line that this very poor ruling put Texas in a trick bag late in the game.

Then again, do not let the truth get in the way of a good story. http://www.runemasterstudios.com/gra.../smilielol.gif

Peace

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He is not taking away credit from Nebraska. But if the officials were in on a "fix" they would not have made this bad call. And the kick out of bounds also hurt Nebraska as well as the obvious Horse collar (The same fool I was talking to claimed this was not an NCAA Rule. This is why you do not listen to fans people. http://www.runemasterstudios.com/gra...thumbsdown.gif)

Peace

JR, please explain the play he is speaking of...I only saw parts of the 4th quarter. Was there a questionable call at the 1 yard line???

Fix? Please. It was obvious that there was one second on the clock when the ball landed OOB.

There was a kickoff by Nebraska in the 4th Quarter and the Texas player was receiving the kick and fell to the ground where he was laying on his side/stomach. The ball touched the Texas returner as he was on the ground but never controlled the ball. The replay clearly showed that there was no control but the official called the play dead, assuming there was possession. This all took place at the 1 yard line and Texas with a very slim lead was put on the 1 yard line. If I recall correctly, Texas did not score and gave Nebraska a short field on the next drive (I believe there was a turnover, but I do not remember) and Nebraska kicked a field goal to take the lead with only a minute or so. This call was huge in the game and affected the strategy of the game at that time and probably made Texas more conservative against a very good defense. And if Texas would have lost, that call would have been highlighted much more than it has been. I am not one who believes one missed called affects the outcome unless it is the very last play and even then there are a lot of things going on, but this was a bad missed call. Basically this was an inadvertent whistle not ruled as such. The game may have never come down to what it did without this situation.

Peace

My problem is that the stadium clock in not the official game clock. All of the deep wings I've spoken either keep the whole game on thier watch or at a minimum the last 2-5 minutes of each half. All the referee had to do is ask the SJ what he had left on his watch and go from there.

I've heard stories (no idea how accurate) of crafty timers being able to start and stop the clock very quickly over a period of time, as to squeeze a few seconds without actually ever stopping the clock long enough to be noticed.

You are right, but it is not practical. The game clock in the stadium is what is used unless there is a problem. This is why they reviewed the play. If the clock was started too early, they would have caught it. And this was a neutral site and I am sure there were people in specific roles that are not associated with either team were doing these types of official duties. And if that was not the case, I am sure Nebraska would be raising a stink over that very issue. Honestly in football if a second or two runs off is not an issue in the middle of the game. The only time we might correct a clock when it is egregious or very obvious there was a mistake. Minor mistakes are not an issue.

Peace

With all the excitement at the end of the game I completely forgot about this play. I was surprised (OK...maybe not) the announcers didn't say anything about. They just commented the runner was down but they failed to notice he dropped the ball before his knee hit the ground. The official who ruled him down was shielded from the ball by the runner's back so he probably had no idea he did not have possession.

When I saw the play I immediately thought it was wrong. Then when I saw the replay I really thought it was wrong. I thought Texas was put at a huge disadvantage. So when I heard this dumb guy in the bar try to claim that Texas was going to win, I just about laughed my behind off.

Peace

I was able to find the play on youtube and you are absolutely right that this was an inadvertant whistle. The referee should have had a great look at it. I'm surprised that Texas didn't raise the question with the crew or that replay didn't catch it. It certainly backed them into the corner.

I'm digging but I haven't found the link yet. Can you please share?

It occurs at about the 1:39 mark in this video: YouTube - 2009 Big 12 Championship TEXAS vs NEBRASKA Highlights

The H was adamant he had him down. I do not know what more you can discuss at that point. Unless the R just wanted to challenge him about the play and it is possible he was not sure that the H was wrong. This is why you cannot be in a hurry to hit the whistle. The play is dead already; you do not need to hit the whistle that quickly. But it was clear there was no possession and I would have rather let the play continue and let replay call it back. Then again I was not working that game either.

Peace

So here's my question: Clearly 12-3-6 says the replay official can make a clock correction (defining egregious is another matter) but apparently the Big 12 conference rules seem to modify or delete 12-3-6. So what takes precedence?

How did the Big 12 not follow the rule? I have seen this done several times before in other conferences.

Peace

I'm not sure I understand your question but I'll give you my answer. I assume just like some NF state can modify a rule or OT for example, the Big 12 modified the replay rules and from what I've read of them, it narrows the replay official's duties, taking away the latitude that 12-3-6 gives.

From the Big 12:

Miscellaneous
Article 3. Miscellaneous reviewable plays include:
a. A runner judged to have been not down by rule. (Note: If a runner is ruled down, the play is not reviewable).
b. A runner’s forward progress with respect to a first down.
c. Touching of any type kick by any player.
d. The number of players participating by either team during a live ball.
e. A scrimmage kicker beyond the line of scrimmage when the ball is kicked.
f. Clock adjustment when a ruling on the field is reversed.
g. A fumble recovery by a Team A player during fourth down or a try and before any change of possession.

Plays Not Reviewable
Article 4. No other plays or officiating decisions are reviewable.

So does the Big 12 or any conference have the ability to write their own rules and supersede the NCAA rule?

I can guarantee you that the Big XII is playing under the same rule set as all of FBS.

When you say from the Big XII, do you mean you copied those rules from their website? If so, then article 4 is incomplete and probably simplified for the common fan.

Hmm. If "the fix was in" why would a Big 12 crew want Texas to win. By Texas winning and going to the National Championship that took away any oppurtunity that they may have had in getting to officiate the National Championship game. As it is now, the Big 12 and SEC is out of the running on officiating the game.

If the fix was in it was the wrong fix. A Nebraska loss meant a huge financial loss for the Big 12. If Nebraska would have won they would have gone to a BCS bowl and Texas would have been the at large BCS pick. Two Big 12 teams in the BCS would have meant another $14 million in the Big 12's kitty. As it is, the Holiday Bowl's paying like $4 million, not $18 million.

kdf5, you missed this part of the NCAA replay rules:

Limitations on Reviewable Plays
ARTICLE 6. No other plays or officiating decisions are reviewable.
However, the replay official may correct egregious errors, including those
involving the game clock, whether or not a play is reviewable. This excludes
fouls that are not specifically reviewable (Reviewable fouls: Rules 12-3-2-c
and d, 12-3-4-b and 12-3-5-a).

That splains it. I got that from someone who... nevermind, I got took!

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Third and one, pass intercepted. Scared to run and take a hit. First down, field goal range interception. Receiver drops two passes no points. Neither team is that good. Hot head coach, has embarassed the Big Red Tradition. NE had there chances and could not finish again. "Su" is for real and should win the Heisman, but politic will come into play.

Acutally, the difference would have been 4.5 million if Texas received a BCS at large bid.

I'm not going to add anything meaningful to this conversation because I'm not a football official. But I think it's interesting that in the hyper media age, be it message boards, or talk shows etc all we here over and over again from fandom is got to have replay, officials suck, we have this technology why can't we use it, officials suck, got to get it right, rules be damned, officials suck, ad naseum.

Then in ONE instance in a high profile game where the great all powerful replay comes into play and corrects a situation that obviously should be corrected and what do we get? The same ole tired **** turned on its head. My team got screwed, officials suck, they didn't follow the rules, officials suck, how can they do that now they never did it before, officials suck, the fix is in, officials suck blah blah blah.

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I wonder how much hand-wringing there would have been had the situation been reversed, with Nebraska needing the extra second on the clock but the officials didn't review it because the rule said they couldn't.

TCU would beat either one of those teams!

What tradition has the NE coach embarassed? Was that the tradition of being a once proud program who disappeared into mediocrity. Get on your knees and thank god that this guy saved your a**. Great coach. More work to be done, but he is the man to do it.