Illegal touching on a Try

[john_faz]

A51 lines-up as a tight end and catches a pass in the endzone for a two point conversion. We have a flag for illegal touching because players have to eligible by number and position. It includes a loss of down provision so the try is no good. My question is: do we assess that yardage penalty on the kick-off?

Thanks,

John

[ppaltice]

The penalty is: the try is no good. That is the assessment. So, no, it does not carry over to the kickoff.

[mbyron]

Since illegal touching is a live-ball foul, the yardage penalty will apply only if the down is replayed. Since it also involves loss of down, the try fails and the yardage penalty lapses.

[Reffing Rev.]

It may be helpful to think of it this way...

The penalty for the liveball foul for illegal touching is 5 yards and loss of down. So on 1st down it will be 2nd after enforcement, on 4th down it will be a turnover after enforcement, and on a try the try will be no good after enforcement...Remember what loss of down means...the loss of the right to replay a down.

HERE IS HOW I THINK ABOUT IT.

So the penalty in the OP is 5 yards and the loss of the right to replay the down, which means...assuming it was PAT from the 3, then the penalty would be 5 yards to the 8 but the loss of the right to replay the down means they've lost the right to replay the try, so our next play is a kickoff.

The penalty has already been enforced...there is nothing to carry over.