illegal participation on the defense

[schmitty1973]

Half the distance to the goal, 1st down for A at the 10. Then you tell your BJ and LJ (with a smile of course) to get their S#$^ together and count while B is in the huddle.

[JRutledge]

This is the team's fault, not the Back Judges fault. And depending on the nature of the substitution, it might have been very late to get a count before.

And the biggest fallacy is that the defense actually huddles. Defenses often do not huddle and they have players running all over the place for substitutions. And if you use a common philosophy, you give the defense some time to get players on and off the field. And if you are doing the counting right, there should be someone else other than the BJ doing counting as well.

Peace

[verticalStripes]

We debated whether the enforcement spot would be the previous spot because the "foul occured simultaneously with the snap".

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by verticalStripes

We debated whether the enforcement spot would be the previous spot because the "foul occured simultaneously with the snap".

Well these would be previous spot enforcements.

Peace

[Welpe]

Correct, this is previous spot since the foul is simultaneous with the snap. If the player entered during the down and participated, you'd enforce via all but one.

[whitehat]

I'm going with previous spot enforcement.
Choices: A could decline and take results of play and have 1/10 at B's 20 or accept penalty and have 1/10 from B's 35.

[SC Ump]

Originally Posted by verticalStripes

The BJ missed his count before the snap... After the play, the BJ throws a flag for 12 men participating...

Originally Posted by Welpe

Correct, this is previous spot since the foul is simultaneous with the snap. If the player entered during the down and participated, you'd enforce via all but one.

If BJ missed his count and didn't notice it until at the end of the play, how does he know if player entered during play or was there all along?