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bbcof83 Thu Sep 10, 2009 12:28pm

Varsity HL
 
Hello, I am filling in for a varsity crew at HL tomorrow night. This will be my first varsity contest. I am only in my second year, still learning the basics and I'm a little nervous. Can any HLs out there give me some tips/keys to remember? Also, does anyone have a link to a 5 man mechanics manual online (perhaps NFHS website) that I could study tonight and tomorrow?

Jim D. Thu Sep 10, 2009 02:00pm

Take your time with the chain crew, especially at the beginning of the game. Talk to your WH and make sure he gives you time to get them set up before he signals ready for play. You will give him a signal (pointing to him) when you are set (you can give this signal even while you are looking over your shoulder at the crew). If he signals RFP too early, don't be afraid to stop the clock and let the crew get set.

Make sure the down box moves and changes on your signal. Again, be extra careful at first until your sure they are doing things right. Don't be in a rush. Have them wait on a punt until you signal them to come down.

Tell them not to move if they see a flag down.

Have fun and relax.

johnnyg08 Thu Sep 10, 2009 02:13pm

Slow whistle. Slow whistle. Slow whistle.

whitehat Thu Sep 10, 2009 03:00pm

-If you don't see the ball, don't blow the whistle.
-Get the out of bounds spot, hold it with your foot and continue to officiate action OOB.
-Stay wide on sideline or just outside it. new rule is for you. coaches need to stay out of the restricted zone when ball is snapped.
-Good communication with coaches. brief, professional, courteous.
-Don't move when ball is snapped. stay put and read the play for a second or so and then move downfield if needed.
-make sure you know who is eligible or not on your side.
-if you throw a flag know why you threw it and communicate this clearly to the R.
-if you have a nuetral zone violation or FS that is obvious go into R not straight in over the ball.
- relax, see your area of responsibility, act calm and controlled even if you don't feel that way ;-)
- be humble, ask the crew questions before game, at halftime and after. Accept criticism with a nod and a "Thank you." even if the guy giving the correction doesn't know what he is talking about...
-Enjoy yourself, thats why we do it!
-shine your shoes

paxsonref Thu Sep 10, 2009 03:45pm

Technically.....
 
There is no such thing as a HL for high school, it would be the Linesman, or L....

Get yourself some waterproof pants ;)

HLin NC Fri Sep 11, 2009 09:50am

There is no online manual for NF.
There is a copy of instructions for the chain crew you can print off.

Check out these links:
Chain Crew Instructions

Moving to "H"

Forksref Fri Sep 11, 2009 11:14am

Watch PLAYERS not the ball. Watch the players in front of the ball. That is where the fouls are.

SNAP - TACKLE - END Watch what happens before the snap (false start, encroachment) ; Read the tackle - He will tell you if it is a pass or run; Watch the block on the end to make sure it is legal. Make this a routine.

On passes : The receiver must survive the contact and the ground for a completion.

Get to the goal line - When the ball is snapped from the 5-yd line in, get to the goal line. Work your way back if the ball doesn't get there. This may be necessary to rule on a safety as the R doesn't have the angle. Be safe-on sweeps to your side, get OOB a few yds behind the pylon. Sell your spot if it is short of the GL.

Have fun!

Tom.OH Fri Sep 11, 2009 11:29am

Don't forget to get your clip from the chain crew.:D

jTheUmp Sun Sep 13, 2009 12:28pm

How'd it go?

Ref inSoCA Sun Sep 13, 2009 12:59pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by paxsonref (Post 624785)
There is no such thing as a HL for high school, it would be the Linesman, or L....

What?!?!?!

Of course there is a Head Linseman.

LDUB Sun Sep 13, 2009 11:34pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ref inSoCA (Post 625068)
What?!?!?!

Of course there is a Head Linseman.

I really don't see the reason why the word head is used by NCAA and NFL. It is just another word in there that doesn't really add anything. It must have something to do with the officials' uniforms.

It's just as dumb as the foul "illegal block in the back". As if the word illegal needs to be in there for some reason.

w_sohl Mon Sep 14, 2009 12:30am

Quote:

Originally Posted by LDUB (Post 625113)
I really don't see the reason why the word head is used by NCAA and NFL. It is just another word in there that doesn't really add anything. It must have something to do with the officials' uniforms.

It's just as dumb as the foul "illegal block in the back". As if the word illegal needs to be in there for some reason.

It does, there are legal blocks in the back.

LDUB Mon Sep 14, 2009 12:33am

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Originally Posted by w_sohl (Post 625116)
It does, there are legal blocks in the back.

Then why isn't there a foul called "illegal clipping"?

w_sohl Mon Sep 14, 2009 02:10pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by LDUB (Post 625117)
Then why isn't there a foul called "illegal clipping"?

Excellent point....

bbcof83 Mon Sep 14, 2009 03:00pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by jTheUmp (Post 625063)
How'd it go?

It went pretty well. I learned a lot and it was a great first experience at the varsity level. Number one thing I learned; have a patient whistle. I screwed up in the fourth quarter and blew the play dead too early. It was a big hit and the ball had kind of snuck out and was laying on the field. Not many players or coaches or fans even noticed the fumble. It was quietly recovered by the defense. My partners informed me I was early and we had an IW. We administered it correctly and told the defense's HC. Boy did I feel like a jerk... It didn't affect the outcome of the game and no one made a stink of it so I get to call it a "learning experience" in a non essential situation (24-7 game in the 4th quarter). My crew wasn't happy but they chalked it up to learning too and were very supportive. The hardest part was trying to get past the blunder and officiate the last 10 minutes of the game.

johnnyg08 Mon Sep 14, 2009 03:14pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnnyg08 (Post 624765)
Slow whistle. Slow whistle. Slow whistle.

You must not have taken my advice. :D

bbcof83 Mon Sep 14, 2009 04:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnnyg08 (Post 625276)
You must not have taken my advice. :D

Haha, yeah, shoot...

Needless to say, after that play I had NO whistle.

johnnyg08 Mon Sep 14, 2009 11:29pm

Oh well...it was bound to happened at some time in your career...you got your's out of the way nice and early! You now have something to teach newer official!

There is some very good advice in this thread for your HL position.

Good luck and have fun

Mregor Mon Sep 14, 2009 11:35pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bbcof83 (Post 625273)
I screwed up in the fourth quarter and blew the play dead too early.

Ahh, Free adult beverages. :D

Mregor

Rich Tue Sep 15, 2009 08:02am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mregor (Post 625355)
Ahh, Free adult beverages. :D

Mregor

I had to buy last night cause I brought the chains out and we had a first down by more than the length of the football (by about an inch). Tough crew.

Ref Ump Welsch Tue Sep 15, 2009 08:24am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ref inSoCA (Post 625068)
What?!?!?!

Of course there is a Head Linseman.

Not on my crew. My white hat scolds anyone who uses the word Head with Linesman.

Ref Ump Welsch Tue Sep 15, 2009 08:26am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bbcof83 (Post 625286)
Haha, yeah, shoot...

Needless to say, after that play I had NO whistle.

Slow whistle, no whistle. Fun stuff. My crew actually had about a half-dozen plays last Friday night where noone blew the whistle. None of the coaches said anything, and there was no extra-curriculars after the play was dead. Finally, some fan piped up as we were walking off the field, saying "Do your whistles only work on certain plays?" :rolleyes:

Welpe Tue Sep 15, 2009 09:22am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch (Post 625398)
Not on my crew. My white hat scolds anyone who uses the word Head with Linesman.

I think your white hat needs to find something else to worry about! :D

Rich Tue Sep 15, 2009 09:24am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch (Post 625398)
Not on my crew. My white hat scolds anyone who uses the word Head with Linesman.

Your white hat needs to get a life. There's a reason position placards have an H and it's not cause there's a silent H in hlinesman.

Welpe Tue Sep 15, 2009 09:24am

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 625412)
Your white hat needs to get a life. There's a reason position placards have an H and it's not cause there's a silent H in hlinesman.

Maybe the H is silent in Finnish or something. ;)

Matt-MI Tue Sep 15, 2009 06:05pm

Rich - I have the same type of deal with with my R. If the result is what I tell him before hand then he owes. This was after one game he called me out three times and I was correct on all three calls.


Welpe - All letters in Finnish are pronounced so it must be something else.

ChicagoLJ Wed Sep 16, 2009 08:24am

I like asking my clip guy where he prefers to put the clip. Nine times out of ten, he responds with, "wherever the referee tells me." If he has some way he likes to do it, I adjust to it. The last thing I want is the clip guy not paying attention to what I want, and doing his own thing and something getting screwed up.

Ref inSoCA Wed Sep 16, 2009 08:46am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch (Post 625398)
Not on my crew. My white hat scolds anyone who uses the word Head with Linesman.

If that's a crew thing, fine but it just exposes him as a fool.

LDUB Wed Sep 16, 2009 12:26pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ref inSoCA (Post 625677)
If that's a crew thing, fine but it just exposes him as a fool.

He's not a fool. He just wants to use proper NF terminology. No different than insisting on saying first touching instead of illegal touching.

Rich Wed Sep 16, 2009 01:25pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by LDUB (Post 625739)
He's not a fool. He just wants to use proper NF terminology. No different than insisting on saying first touching instead of illegal touching.

I would probably throw a flag and tell him I had an illegal crackback block just to see his reaction. :D


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