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bigjohn Sat Aug 15, 2009 06:52am

Using flip boards to call no huddle-Legal?
 
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SECTION 6 COACHES FIELD EQUIPMENT
ART. 1 . . . Communication devices, other than audio recorder, Local Area Network (LAN) phones and/or headsets, including but not limited to cellular phones, still photograph(s), film, analog or digital video(s) and/or Internet depictions, shall not be used for coaching purposes during the game or between periods.


How about dry erase boards to COMMUNICATE PLAYS?

mbyron Sat Aug 15, 2009 07:14am

Legal.

The purpose of the rule is to prevent wealthy schools from employing high-tech solutions unavailable to other schools.

HLin NC Sun Aug 16, 2009 06:24am

I'd say a flip board is about as lo-tech as you can get, unless you want to write it on poster board with a Sharpie.

mbyron Sun Aug 16, 2009 07:36am

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Originally Posted by HLin NC (Post 620691)
I'd say a flip board is about as lo-tech as you can get, unless you want to write it on poster board with a Sharpie.

Exactly. Or shall we ban hand signals, too? Hands are communication devices...

ajmc Sun Aug 16, 2009 09:00am

This sounds like an example of why basic common sense and logic are such important qualities needed in officials

Ref Ump Welsch Sun Aug 16, 2009 01:50pm

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 620700)
Exactly. Or shall we ban hand signals, too? Hands are communication devices...

Exactly, hands are communication devices. Banning hand signals would handicap the teams from the schools for the deaf.

Ref Ump Welsch Sun Aug 16, 2009 01:53pm

BTW, flipcharts were my favorite "steals" when I was working on a college coaching staff when I was in school. One team was using colored charts and hand signals, and by observing them and the plays they ran on the first drive or two, I had their entire scheme figured out. Our defense clamped down on them, but our offense couldn't capitalize. We lost by 2 after missing a field goal late in the game.

umpirebob71 Sun Aug 16, 2009 02:19pm

Isn't the object pictured a scoreboard?

bigjohn Sun Aug 16, 2009 05:29pm

It is a scoreboard but it is being used as a communication/coaching aid by many spread-no huddle teams.

umpirebob71 Sun Aug 16, 2009 08:00pm

To tell them what...the score? As usual, you bring a knife to a gunfight.

bigjohn Sun Aug 16, 2009 09:00pm

Whatever. I could care less. The rule is poorly written, bottom line.

RMR Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:26pm

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Originally Posted by umpirebob71 (Post 620783)
To tell them what...the score? As usual, you bring a knife to a gunfight.

It doesn't take too much imagination to see how one could use such a thing to signal in plays using numbers to send in plays using that "scoreboard" and QB wristbands (each player gets their own).

I've seen at least a couple teams use this exact method - a couple of managers flip the numbers to the play the coach wants called - the players look for the corresponding play on their wristband and off they go.

JugglingReferee Mon Aug 17, 2009 12:10am

Canadian Ruling
 
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Originally Posted by bigjohn (Post 620556)
http://soccer.epicsports.com/images/...sports/j30.jpg


SECTION 6 COACHES FIELD EQUIPMENT
ART. 1 . . . Communication devices, other than audio recorder, Local Area Network (LAN) phones and/or headsets, including but not limited to cellular phones, still photograph(s), film, analog or digital video(s) and/or Internet depictions, shall not be used for coaching purposes during the game or between periods.


How about dry erase boards to COMMUNICATE PLAYS?

CANADIAN RULING:

Don't go looking for mucous hanging from someone's nose.

Ref Ump Welsch Mon Aug 17, 2009 07:19am

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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 620836)
CANADIAN RULING:

Don't go looking for mucous hanging from someone's nose.

I think that's easy when it's freezing out and the mucous isn't hanging. :D

mbyron Mon Aug 17, 2009 07:22am

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Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch (Post 620874)
I think that's easy when it's freezing out and the mucous isn't hanging. :D

Dude: he's Canadian. He's not going to see a contrast class. :D


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