Good Block or penalty?

[parepat]

First, thanks to BigJohn for posting the links. It is just these types of close calls and the discussion about them that is helpful about this and other sites.

However, it seems that all too often when folks disagree the discussion breaks down to personal assualts and childish criticisms. I don't get it. That is the sole reason I don't go on NFHS much. Takes the fun out of it.

That being said, I think the first two plays involved clean blocks and I would have a foul for face tackling in the third.

[bigjohn]

YouTube - KNOCK OUT BLOCK!!!

This one is a clean block? or is this the one you agree is butt blocking

[waltjp]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

YouTube - KNOCK OUT BLOCK!!!

This one is a clean block? or is this the one you agree is butt blocking

I got nuttin.

[waltjp]

Here's one for ya, John. What do you think?

YouTube - The Greatest and Hardest Hit Ever

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

So you are saying casebook trumps S&I?

Absolutely.

[bigjohn]

and no flag, walt, Nuttin?

in the one I posted Walt the blocker leads with the head, and the initial contact is with the helmet. How is it not IHC?

You guys are not serious are you?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

and no flag, walt, Nuttin?

in the one I posted Walt the blocker leads with the head, and the initial contact is with the helmet. How is it not IHC?

You guys are not serious are you?

Leading with the head means contact with the head. Not how you duck to hit someone. If that was the case, then all helmet contact would be illegal.

And it is not IHC for the hundredth time because the angles you show do not confirm there was helmet contact. You can keep saying it that there should be a foul, but as I have said before you have never had to make a call in your life. You are a coach not an official, which means it is easy to look at tape, but the angle is not a great angle. And the official in one of the plays was on top of the play and he passed. So yes, we are serious.

Peace

[jaybird]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

YouTube - KNOCK OUT BLOCK!!!

This one is a clean block? or is this the one you agree is butt blocking

From the angle provided, it appears that the initial contact is the blocker's right shoulder hitting the opponent's left shoulder. Legal.

[bisonlj]

Originally Posted by waltjp

I got nuttin.

I have to agree with Walt. When I watched this I saw the shoulders making contact first so this is a legal hit. It's hard to say what I would have seen in real time from the BJ or LJ position but I can see where someone would see PF in real time. On replay from this angle though I think the correct call is no call.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

YouTube - Awesome Football block

CANADIAN RULING:

Legal.

[bigjohn]

you guys are nuts. It is slowed down for you and while the shoulders do make contact, the blocker clearly hits the defender with his helmet first, in the helmet.
This is very dangerous and should be flagged every single time.

IHC shall be strictly enforced, my behind.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

you guys are nuts. It is slowed down for you and while the shoulders do make contact, the blocker clearly hits the defender with his helmet first, in the helmet.
This is very dangerous and should be flagged every single time.

IHC shall be strictly enforced, my behind.

Clearly? From that angle in that video? You, sir, are the one who's nuts.

[bigjohn]

What angle are you guys talking about the blocker, drops his head and delivers a blow to the defender's head then hits with his shoulder. UNBELIEVABLE!

What do you think spins him around to land on his butt? not the block to his shoulder.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

What angle are you guys talking about the blocker, drops his head and delivers a blow to the defender's head then hits with his shoulder. UNBELIEVABLE!

If a player drops their shoulder, their head goes with them. And considering that most coaches teach players to get low on things like blocks or even running the ball, I do not see how dropping the head all of a sudden it a wrong thing. I never see a block where someone goes completely upright. How in the heck does someone block legally below the waist?

Originally Posted by bigjohn

What do you think spins him around to land on his butt? not the block to his shoulder.

Yeah you are right. Only people that are spun around and land on their butt comes from an illegal block. Of course the fact that he might not have seen the block coming has nothing to do with how he landed. Maybe if he saw him coming, he would have got out of the way. Do you actually coach football?

Peace

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

What do you think spins him around to land on his butt? not the block to his shoulder.

Sorry, but that's not how officials call illegal blocks: we don't infer that they must have happened based on the outcomes. We call them when we see them, and only when we see them (as you seem to be slow to learn).