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SNG10 Tue Jun 09, 2009 09:15am

Where is the 5th official ? If he's there, I'm not seeing him at all during the play. Assuming this is Vienna Mathews, it should be a 5 man crew.

Also, #3 sure looks like he's not on the los.

Mike L Tue Jun 09, 2009 10:50am

To begin with, it's hard to believe with the way the o-line moved the d-line back they couldn't see the runner get the ball in.
Where's the HL? I never see him come in to the picture. It's his and the LJ's call.
The LJ looks kinda lost, but he does hold his spot.
The U comes into the discussion and you would think he could have given some sort of help info if he had been looking at the POA. Instead he seems intent on mirroring the spot the LJ is holding and then discussing something with the LJ.
Why the BJ came in so close I have no idea. If he had stayed back at the endline where he belongs, he might have seen 21 get up off the pile and stand in the EZ holding the ball up. With that help they could've at least gone with the "we don't have him clearly down but we do have him somehow in the EZ with the ball so it has to be in" call.
The R is just kinda there and doesn't seem to want to join in on the discussion with the U and the LJ. Instead he just waits for the U to come out and give him something to signal. How about instead trying to get some resolution that at least makes it look like the crew knows what it's doing?
Both coaches spotted down around the party, all things considered, a minor problem.

parepat Tue Jun 09, 2009 02:05pm

Some background.

This was a 2 point try play for the home team in which the visitors held a 1 point advantage. The L never came into frame. He was not holding a spot or otherwise participating in the aftermath. The LJ later told me that he did not have a spot and that when you see him leaning in, he is telling the Umpire that "I didn't see it". Why he is hold a "phantom spot" was a mystery to him. The backjudge never says a word throughout the fiasco. He did not tell any of his fellow officials that the ball ended up in the endzone. In fact during the video the BJ is actually in front of the ball carrier when he gets up. As far as the referee, he told me that as time went on he felt he had to make a call. In my opinion, this video is a perfect example of how not to deal with a chaotic situation. All could have been avoided if the officials got together and sorted out this mess.

HardHat Ref Tue Jun 09, 2009 06:41pm

I agree with everything Mike said. This crew went wrong somewhere else too. If this is a try why is the clock running, and how did time run out on an untimed down?:confused:

Brett Tue Jun 09, 2009 09:16pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by parepat (Post 607759)
Some background.

This was a 2 point try play for the home team in which the visitors held a 1 point advantage. The L never came into frame. He was not holding a spot or otherwise participating in the aftermath. The LJ later told me that he did not have a spot and that when you see him leaning in, he is telling the Umpire that "I didn't see it". Why he is hold a "phantom spot" was a mystery to him. The backjudge never says a word throughout the fiasco. He did not tell any of his fellow officials that the ball ended up in the endzone. In fact during the video the BJ is actually in front of the ball carrier when he gets up. As far as the referee, he told me that as time went on he felt he had to make a call. In my opinion, this video is a perfect example of how not to deal with a chaotic situation. All could have been avoided if the officials got together and sorted out this mess.

That was a cluster@#%$...

Where is the R? He needs to be in there getting HIS crew together and asking pertinent, relevant questions to each of crew members so they can come to some sort of consensus and sell a call. He left them hung out to dry by standing in the backfield twiddling his thumbs while they all looked at each other.

The LJ had nothing else to do but hold the spot he had until his partners came in and saved his behind. He didn't see it and was at the mercy of his partners and not a single one came in to help him out (one way or the other). If I were him I'd never take the field with this crew again.


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