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HLin NC Mon May 18, 2009 10:30pm

Federation Quarterly FB POE's
 
We're getting chided by the Federation boys- set phasers to stun.

Lightning Policy- 30 sec. flash to bang standard is gone. "Once thunder is heard, play is to be suspended, stands evacuated and the field cleared." 30 min. clock is reset after every boom or flash.

Illegal Personal Contact- "the committee desires to remind coaches that they need to teach proper techniques and officials that they need to enforce the rules as written." "Trailing officials should especially be vigilant..."

Blocking/Illegal Blocks - defensive players wedge-busting on running plays and hits above the shoulders
"The old idea of 'hitting until the whistle' is passe'.....the play kills itself."

Helmet and Face Mask - "The committee is very concerned about the growing inconsistency on face mask related fouls."

Incidental- grasping
Personal foul- grasping and twisting, turning, or pulling of the mask, opening, or now-the chin strap. "Any movement of the head or neck should be a 15 yard walk-off."

Further concern by the committee- "officials who are judging fouls according to their own individual interpretation..." "Officiating groups are asked....to reinforce ....philosophies as they apply to the rules."

Uniforms- more than just the umpire's responsibility, crews must be consistent from game to game

Not properly worn: jerseys too short or not tucked in, pants must cover the knee, 4 pt. chin straps required, proper mouth guard - no completely clear or white and not cut down

Illegal Adornments: tinted shields, tape being used to create stripes on belts, pants, or helmets, belts too long- cut or tuck in, sweatbands- off the upper arms, towels- plain white only, play cards- worn on wrist-not belt
Shoe spats- illegal, tape ok around shoe and ankle, Knee braces- hard surfaces properly covered?, Rib & back protectors- jersey must cover

Sportsmanship- diving into the EZ with no defender around, excessive face painting, inappropriate words & gestures, team rituals should note demean or embarass opponent

BktBallRef Mon May 18, 2009 11:34pm

I guess I'm a stickler but this is stuff we should be chided for. :(

FM and late hit fouls are ridiculous. And it's not just us, it's the big boys on TV too. Too many officials don't have the balls to enforce the 15 yard penalty.

Very few crews check uniforms properly. And because they don't, it makes it hard for those that do.

Oh well, it'll be forgotten after the first couple of weeks.

ajmc Tue May 19, 2009 10:32am

I've never met an official who likes the idea of being the "Fashion Police", but that is totally a problem that is not of our making. We may be the only participants who understand the rules of the game, but we're not the only people who are responsible to abide by them. POEs are intended to help EVERYONE understand the intent of the rules by singling out some for added focus.

The rule makers have tried hard to reduce these "Fashion" issues to basic "yes-no" decisions. There's not a lot of "maybe", and that which is tried, is usually brought into the game by players, coaches and sometimes parents.

What part of "NO" is confusing? The imagination of student athletes is unending, which is likely why the wall of resistance has been reduced to a simple, "NO" which does not require a debate or convincing.

Reffing Rev. Tue May 19, 2009 11:30am

What is a shoe spat?

If anyone has a problem being reminded to officiate the safety rules i.e. illegal blocks, face masks, etc. they need to find a new hobby.

If you don't like enforcing uniform rules - get better - move up - have a new rule code - and then complain about enforcing those uniform rules.

Sorry, touches a nerve, I get annoyed by officials who don't enforce the rules.

mbyron Tue May 19, 2009 12:36pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reffing Rev. (Post 603159)
What is a shoe spat?

Is there another kind?

http://images.quickblogcast.com/7274...2650_Spats.jpg

Robert Goodman Tue May 19, 2009 01:50pm

Is it just me, or is Fed legislating on some strange subjects in the area of:

Quote:

Originally Posted by HLin NC (Post 603032)
Illegal Adornments:... tape being used to create stripes on belts, pants, or helmets

Was it making it hard to tell the teams apart? Was it coming loose & strangling people? Did it look like the stripes on the ball?

Quote:

Sportsmanship-...excessive face painting
How is that a problem? Players getting an unfair advantage by getting an opponent to laugh at their clown faces?

Robert in the Bronx

grantsrc Tue May 19, 2009 01:51pm

I've always wondered about the tape around the belt and sad to say but I've let that one go. Now the other stuff, the excessive face paint, writing on arms, arm bands, leg bands, etc. I've enforced. I would really like to print off or photo copy the POE's that describe what's acceptable and what's not and give it to coaches during the pregame meeting. Guess that's why I am not a R.

A "shoe spat" is usually made of fabric of some kind and are used to cover up the ankles and shoes. They usually match the team's colors and really serve no purpose.

Welpe Tue May 19, 2009 02:24pm

Robert, in addition to safety and fair play, the NFHS also considers sportsmanship to be an important tenet of high school athletics. Their rules in all sports relfect this thinking.

HLin NC Tue May 19, 2009 06:12pm

Spats
 
football cleat spats,athletic spats,soccer cleat spats,cleat covers,cleat taping, TeamSpats
http://a712.g.akamai.net/7/712/225/2...id=300&hei=300

Robert Goodman Wed May 20, 2009 04:36pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 603210)
Robert, in addition to safety and fair play, the NFHS also considers sportsmanship to be an important tenet of high school athletics. Their rules in all sports relfect this thinking.

What has face painting or stripes on a belt or arm to do with sportsmanship? Why's it "sporting" to have designs created by stitching, but not tape or makeup? How about tattoos? I've seen stickers on helmets.

Robert in the Bronx

Brandon Kincer Wed May 20, 2009 04:53pm

If its in the rule book it has a reason to be there. im sure the committee doesn't sit around and make rules just to be making them. It is the job of the officials to enforce those rules whether we agree with them or not.

Ed Hickland Wed May 20, 2009 05:01pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brandon Kincer (Post 603619)
If its in the rule book it has a reason to be there. im sure the committee doesn't sit around and make rules just to be making them. It is the job of the officials to enforce those rules whether we agree with them or not.

Brandon, you're new here.

What NFHS is telling us is some officials are not doing their job for whatever reason. I personally know a group of officials that pretty much let everything go because to enforce the rules might mean they don't get a playoff game.

You'll see:)

Welpe Wed May 20, 2009 05:23pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman (Post 603611)
What has face painting or stripes on a belt or arm to do with sportsmanship? Why's it "sporting" to have designs created by stitching, but not tape or makeup? How about tattoos? I've seen stickers on helmets.

Robert in the Bronx

You're going to have to ask the Federation about why they consider those things to be sportsmanship issues, I'm simply conveying their reasoning for prohibiting those things.

SC Ump Wed May 20, 2009 06:12pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Hickland (Post 603622)
I personally know a group of officials that pretty much let everything go...

I'm sure you're talking about the guy last week, as in "The guy last week said it was okay."

Ed Hickland Wed May 20, 2009 07:21pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SC Ump (Post 603648)
I'm sure you're talking about the guy last week, as in "The guy last week said it was okay."

You know him!?


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