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Brandon Kincer Tue May 05, 2009 01:36am

High School level Football
 
Which state takes its football the most serious at the high school level?

JRutledge Tue May 05, 2009 02:19am

Not even close!!!
 
Texas, hands down. (I went to high school there for a year).

Peace

TOPCITY Tue May 05, 2009 04:55am

Yes texas takes it high school football serious

mbyron Tue May 05, 2009 06:31am

Golly, that was easy.

Let's keep this thread going. What's the capital of Mali?

jaybird Tue May 05, 2009 08:31am

All you have to do is drive through most any small town in Texas. A town of say 2000 people may very well have a football stadium that will seat 5000 and the stadium could be the nicest, best maintained structure in the community.

The bigger cities will have stadiums better than most small colleges in other states.

With_Two_Flakes Tue May 05, 2009 09:00am

Bamako.

Lets see how many fans of the No 1 Ladies Detective Agency there are out there.....
Capital of Botswana?

JRutledge Tue May 05, 2009 01:25pm

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Originally Posted by With_Two_Flakes (Post 599776)
Bamako.

Lets see how many fans of the No 1 Ladies Detective Agency there are out there.....
Capital of Botswana?

Love that show. I have no idea what the capital of Botswana, but I might go next year if the right things happen.

Peace

Welpe Tue May 05, 2009 01:49pm

Football is more than a sport in Texas...I think it qualifies as its own religion!

:eek:

Jim D. Tue May 05, 2009 02:17pm

I've officiated football (college) in nine states. The farther south you go, the bigger the games seem to be. I would agree that Texas is where HS football is biggest.

I was always jealous - the Texas guys would tell me how much they made working a high school game. They have a set up down there were the officals get a cut of the gate.

Ref Ump Welsch Tue May 05, 2009 02:49pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim D. (Post 599873)
I've officiated football (college) in nine states. The farther south you go, the bigger the games seem to be. I would agree that Texas is where HS football is biggest.

I was always jealous - the Texas guys would tell me how much they made working a high school game. They have a set up down there were the officals get a cut of the gate.

And that cut of the gate just isn't in football. I understand they do that in basketball. Matter of fact, I think the game fees are based on how much was earned at the gate.

Brandon Kincer Tue May 05, 2009 03:05pm

lol I gotta say that the response to this question doesn't surprise me at all after seeing the movie "Friday Night Lights". If you watch that movie you will notice that even businesses close early to go to the game.

Welpe Tue May 05, 2009 03:29pm

The book is even better.

Texas Aggie Tue May 05, 2009 04:22pm

Its hard to argue that Texas is the King of fall Friday nights. I don't think a lot of folks that haven't lived down here AND traveled around the state realize how big it (the state) is. Yet in every corner of the state, football is huge.

Just some examples:

-- By and large, head football coaches are not teachers, they are an administrator so they can earn a higher salary than the teacher. 6 figures is now the standard at the top schools and there are likely districts where the HFC earns more than anyone in the district outside of the superintendent. Basketball coaches are almost always teachers.

-- I've worked basketball and volleyball in Texas over the past 20 years in addition to football. Its night and day how we are treated at football venues vs. the other ones. I can go in to the smallest school 1A game (1A is smallest public class) and they are there waiting for our crew. They take us to a dressing area, get us food, have drinks out, have our paperwork ready, and everything else. I'll go work a 5A (largest school class) district basketball game where the stands are filled where we have to ask for bottled water, or don't get anything at all. Plus, they also act at basketball games like they've never had one there before and say, "I'm not sure where we are putting the officials tonight; coach, do you know???"

-- This may not be totally unusual, but they pay for the entire chain crew at most Friday night games. We use first and second year officials on those crews and all of our crews have what we call a "6th man." He goes with us to all games and works the down box.

-- Spring games (intraschool) start up in a couple of weeks and most 4A/5A schools play them. This culminates 3 weeks of spring practice. The joke is that there are 2 sports in Texas: football and spring football. Honestly, spring football isn't all that big, as lower level schools don't participate in it, but the joke is pretty funny.

Robert Goodman Tue May 05, 2009 05:09pm

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Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch (Post 599883)
And that cut of the gate just isn't in football. I understand they do that in basketball. Matter of fact, I think the game fees are based on how much was earned at the gate.

What justifies that? Do the officials do magic tricks and tell jokes at half time?

Welpe Tue May 05, 2009 05:28pm

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Originally Posted by Robert Goodman (Post 599922)
What justifies that?

My guess is that the thought is the bigger the game, the better compensated the officials, the better the officials. Just a guess though, maybe one of our resident Texans can give you a better answer.

JasonTX Tue May 05, 2009 07:03pm

A couple of years ago before the Dallas Cowboys had their indoor practice facility (in need of another one now) they would actually use a local high school indoor facility for indoor practices.

BigTex Tue May 05, 2009 08:18pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by With_Two_Flakes (Post 599776)
Bamako.

Lets see how many fans of the No 1 Ladies Detective Agency there are out there.....
Capital of Botswana?

Gaberone.

Prounced 'Haberone' by locals.

Ref Ump Welsch Tue May 05, 2009 08:35pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman (Post 599922)
What justifies that? Do the officials do magic tricks and tell jokes at half time?

What I stated was what I was told by one of our locals here in Nebraska who was seriously being recruited to move to Texas to become an official. Of course, he has some family down there so he was considering it.

Tom.OH Wed May 06, 2009 11:28am

Lets get the argument going. I say OHIO has the best.

Forksref Wed May 06, 2009 01:37pm

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Originally Posted by Tom.OH (Post 600070)
Lets get the argument going. I say OHIO has the best.

Ohio is the source of the best college coaches in the country: Stoops, Miles, U. Meyer.....and in days past: Hayes, Schembechlar, Parseghian...

ajmc Wed May 06, 2009 04:33pm

Beauty is always in the eye of the beholder.

Ref Ump Welsch Wed May 06, 2009 05:07pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Forksref (Post 600112)
Ohio is the source of the best college coaches in the country: Stoops, Miles, U. Meyer.....and in days past: Hayes, Schembechlar, Parseghian...

Don't forget the up and coming Bo Pelini...also, Frank Solich of Ohio is an Ohio native. ;)

SethPDX Thu May 07, 2009 05:46pm

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Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch (Post 599883)
And that cut of the gate just isn't in football. I understand they do that in basketball. Matter of fact, I think the game fees are based on how much was earned at the gate.

Carl Childress mentioned baseball umpires get a share of the gate in playoff games.

Welpe Thu May 07, 2009 05:48pm

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Originally Posted by SethPDX (Post 600455)
Carl Childress mentioned baseball umpires get a share of the gate in playoff games.

Actually I believe that per the UIL, umpires get a share of the gate for all varsity contests. I would imagine this is quite a bit lower than a football game. :eek:

zm1283 Fri May 08, 2009 12:10am

Oklahoma high school football is very good as well. Not as many good teams as Texas because of the sheer size difference, but Oklahoma's good teams are REAL good.

Ref Ump Welsch Fri May 08, 2009 07:38am

Quote:

Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 600521)
Oklahoma high school football is very good as well. Not as many good teams as Texas because of the sheer size difference, but Oklahoma's good teams are REAL good.

Oklahoma has been pretty good for churning out big a** linemen...I should know because my beloved Huskers stole a few from the Sooners and the Cowboys. :cool:

parepat Fri May 08, 2009 02:13pm

My top five:

Texas
Ohio
Georgia
Pennsylvania (Western)
Florida

TXMike Sat May 09, 2009 09:42am

"What state take HS football most seriously?"

I guess we have to start by deciding what empirical factors we would use to base our assessment on.
The amount of money spent on HS football by the citizens?
The amount of money paid to officials to officiate football?
The percentage of kids who participate in football?
The salaries paid to those who coach football?
The percentage of the population which attends HS football games?
The degree of conventional and unconventional media coverage of HS football?

Any others?

The most qualified folks to answer this question would be those who have lived in many different states. I can compare Texas to Virginia, Maine, Florida, Oklahoma, Indiana, Kansas, and Washington. Would like to hear some comparisons between Texas, Ohio, Pennsylvania and California.

(I continue to find it interesting that you can see playoff games from the lowest levels of HS football in many states on satellite TV but we still see only a limited number of Texas playoff games, and those are the highest levels)

Texas HS Football stadiums article: High school football in Texas is king. Just look at their stadiums: - Democratic Underground

Story from 2006 re coach salaries: In dollars, coaches beat teachers

Pay/Performance Study of Texas HS Football Coaches Pay and Performance: An Examination of Texas High School Football Coaches | The Sport Journal

Article comparing Georgia HS football to Texas and other states:
THE ISSUE: RATING GEORGIA'S FOOTBALL TALENT: IT'S A SOUTHERN THING | ajc.com

TXMike Sat May 09, 2009 09:49am

Quote:

Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 600521)
Oklahoma high school football is very good as well. Not as many good teams as Texas because of the sheer size difference, but Oklahoma's good teams are REAL good.

Which state has the best HS football is another issue entirely. We are talking about which state takes HS football most seriously. I did some research a few years ago and found that the number of D-1 players coming out of HS's, on a per capita basis, was greatest in Louisianna. Texas, Ohio, Califonia and Florida were not far behind but Oklahoma was not in the mix.


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