The "Future" of the A 6 + 5
 

Looks like KB is anticipating the bad news and has a new approach...encourage states to leave the NFHS

http://www.humphinternet.com/a11/pdf/A11Future.pdf

Heh heh.

Sore loser!

Wow....
 

must have hired some laid off spin meisters from DC to write that fiction.

Cue acjam and Mrs. Bryan's vehement rebuttle in 3....2....1.

I can see it now. Thousands of schools are going to leave the NFHS just to follow Bryan and the A-11. :rolleyes:

Hyenas you better stop it right now!!!!
 

I did not even read all of it, and that was the funniest things I ever read.

I guess we better stop now, because here comes the lecture. :D

Peace

His campaign continues.

Maybe he is the Pied Piper and all the vicious hyenas will follow (chase) his @$$ (out of town).

... Oh, I shouldn't have thought that, one of the behavioral nannies will post shortly to admonish me. Oh well, tough $h!+.

Heel, Jay! Heel!

Next thing we'll be hearing that KB will be trying to set up a replacement for the NFHS. Or trying to sue them for "loss of income."

Ad naseum, ad nauseum or whatever

No, no, no....
 

we were viscous, not vicious. Please describe us properly!

What is humphinternet.com?

Who wrote this thing? I don't see the article signed in any way.

Is there evidence that it came from KB and his friends, or the CIF?

I'm asking because surely it is important to know.

Well at the bottom of the PDF file, there is a reference to Kurt's website. That is the same reference Kurt has posted here and on other sites. And the references are the same Kurt made here. I have no other reason to think this did not come from Kurt. Maybe it was not, but the language and statements are very similar to what we have seen.

Peace

And when you leave the NFHS you can join the NF A-11 HS for the low introductory price of $199.95. I'll even throw in a FREE training DVD!:D

Ask and ye shall receive
 

This is not sufficient evidence, but only suspicious.

This is sufficient evidence.

Odd thing is after I read the documents, I cut out everything after the ".com" in the address bar and hit enter. The page I received was one of those default webserver pages after you've installed a CMS or webserver or such. From that I gathered that I needed to find out what the site was. Not sure why the link didn't work as expected. Thanks!

I do not think you have to create a conspiracy theory to figure out whose website is responsible. After all the very same reference to the 50 year official was also in the link. ;)

There are also uses of the same logos and the same language.

Peace

The coach sent that to people who signed up on his web site.

Logos and language are plagarizable. Heck, I could have created that document in a few hours. Seeing the document as being hosted on the AC's homepage is much more telling. That's all I am saying.

OK, you are drinking the Kool-Aid. :rolleyes:

Peace

Thanks for the Feedback
 

Dear Officials:

Your candor is always appreciated about the various possibilites regarding the future of football, and to the handful of guys who like to name-call, it does make you look very weak.

About the reason I can't comment for now on other items being presented to us by these groups, I gave my word and of course signed the appropriate documents covering that - standard.

More importantly, it is critical to understand, there are a lot more small schools to mid-size schools in America that have made it clear to us they want to be able to Retain the right to use A-11 on any down if they desire.

And, if the NFHS attempts to ban it. Then YES, there are several viable options being presented to us for Any team wanting to use the offense on
1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th down.

I respect the fact some people hate one offense, and love another, and so on.

More importantly, it is a Free country (Thank God), and if a school, group of schools, or segment of schools decide it is better for them to Retain the Ability to use the A-11 if they want to, then good for them.

If not, then good for them too.

There is plenty of room in America for more than one style or brand of football.

* Great 4th quarter tonight, too bad the Cards lost.

Best of luck to you guys in everything you do.

KB :)

It's not your fault that you're a technology neophyte.

Take waltjp's post for exmaple. At least he provided info that shows the clearest source of the file.

LOL!!!!

No, I think the problem is you are not familiar with the way Kurt works and the things he has said in the past on this site and other sites. I did not have to have a direct website to know who was speaking. Then again you were the only one questioning where the information was coming from. That is telling if you ask me. ;)

BTW, here are some comments from the person you are not sure how they feel about this topic.

http://www.nfhs.org/cgi-bin/ultimate...c;f=9;t=004098

Peace

mention
 

Of course we wrote and had help writing the paper from other coaches. That should not even be a question.:)

http://www.runemasterstudios.com/gra...ages/think.gif
Wait a minute. How do we know you are the real Kurt Bryan? :rolleyes:

I think we are going to need a DNA sample from you. :D

Peace

I know we rarely see eye to eye on anything but 1 thing I should be givencredit for is NEVER posting something that is attributed to someone that is actually a fraud. I have NEVER done that and NEVER will. It takes some time at times to source things and determine legitimacy and I will always do that before posting it.

But if you continue to disbelieve...take a look here. This is the NFHS site where KB takes credit for the document.

http://www.nfhs.org/cgi-bin/ultimate...c;f=9;t=004098


And this is another page on the humphinternet site that should make it clear who's site it is:
http://www.humphinternet.com/A11/contact.htm

And the "Whois" infor for humphinternet.com: http://who.godaddy.com/WhoIs.aspx?do...rog_id=godaddy
If you have followed this issue mych then you know who Steve Humphries is.

"Hey everybody, the NFHS is banning the A-11, which is going to change football (even though it's illegal everywhere but high school). They're kicking us out of their club, those meanies.

"So let's form our own club, just for our friends! And we can make up stuff, and have our own rules, and it'll be really, really cool! And my mom can make grilled cheese and tomato soup for lunch, and then won't those meanies in the NFHS be sorry! Really, really sorry!!!!

"We'll show them. Meanies. [raspberry]."

Steve Humphries is the "Director of Football Operations" for Piedmont High School.

Maybe he can be in the same role in the new KBFF. (kurt bryan football federation)

I'm sure membership will be free....:rolleyes:

I thought you meant Kurt's Best Friend Forever.

A small high school program has a "Director of Football Operations?" Wonder how many other programs at that school have "Director of Operations." Just gets funnier by the tidbit of knowledge gained....

misc
 

One of the points is, there is already a precedent for teams, areas, sections or states to do something different.

One of the major factors presented to us by more than one group around the country is for many years teams either in the same state (that play under varied rules) and/or two teams playing each other from different states that have varied rules Do play each other.

So Yes, that has been happening for years and years, and to be honest, it is rather interesting to hear what they are saying, etc.

And so again, in just this one different item, teams competing vs. each other even though their league, section or state has differing rules, has been happening for many years.

The precedent has already been established in just this one area, and there are lots of items being presented to us.

Best of Luck,

KB :)

Kurt,

A-11 is not new, the youth leagues play with it all the time and officials officiate it.

Most states including California divide schools based upon attendance figures so that super size school does not play super small school.

NFHS has rules for 8 and 6 man football for those schools who for whatever reason cannot fill an eleven man squad. Know for many years Texas had such a program and one of the alumni was Dallas Cowboy QB Dandy Don Meredith.

My suggestion to you for what it is worth is play by the rules for 11-man football like them or not. There are some rules us officials do not like but we enforce them as written.

Or, see if you can enroll your school in a youth program where the A-11 lives every day at every game.

Or, rather than cry foul that other schools are bigger than Piedmont and this helps overcome that problem, drop down into an 8-team league.

I know Piedmont is an influential East Bay community and a wonderful place to live but quit trying to make everyone else subscribe to your "innovation."

Best of luck in whatever direction you take your program.

Like I said in the other forum, I agree with Kurt. Go. Go now. Go quickly. Do your own thing and take your compadres with you. Go. We support your new A11 league. Go and get 'r done. Go.

We will call it...the XFL.

Quick question: has the NFHS ruled on this yet (have the rule changes come out yet)?

You mean like when NC decided that the A-11 was illegal?:D

Not yet. You will surely see multiple threads when the changes are released.

simple point
 

If the NFHS attempts to ban the A-11, things will be set in motion.

This simple example makes things pretty clear and it will Boom nationwide for any team in the country wanting to Retain the Right to use the A-11.

Here is just one example of about 10 options being discussed, this is the Macro version, but for many years the precedent has already been set.

Example: For the most part, the high school football teams in Texas and Massachusetts play under modified NCAA rules for their own reasons, and not under NHFS rules - as do most of the other teams in the remaining 48 states and Washington, DC.

However, when a team from Texas plays a team from Oklahoma, you now have two different teams competing against each other (the games do count) even though they operate under different governing ruling bodies.

Now for another example, look at a team from Massachusetts traveling to play a team in maybe Rhode Island, again two teams competing (the games count) even though one team is under their modified NCAA rules and the other uses NFHS.

In short, IF the opportunity arises, below is one possibility that can easily happen:

1. ANY high school football team in the USA will be able to join the new Federation that allows “traditional” football and the new A-11 Offense to be played.

2. Not one single team in America will be forced to join the new Federation, nor will they be forced to alter their season schedule. The precedent has already been set and in effect for many years nationwide. Some teams will choose to always play traditional football respectively, and some teams will decide to “Retain the Right” to use the A-11 Offense if they believe it will help their program.

3. There are many other great items stemming from this. However, this brief explanation should help put things in perspective, as to just one of the options presented to us by various groups across the country.

Again, thanks for all you do, and your thoughts and opinions are very much respected.


KB :)

I hate to break it to you, but schools in my area are complaining about money and travel. Schools are not going to leave their local associations, to join another organization that might add to their travel or responsibility all because they "disagree" with a single rule in a sport they may or may not have much success in. Texas and Massachusetts are entire states, these are not individual schools are going it alone.

I also doubt that the one school in Illinois that was openly using this offense is going to throw out all their standing to play teams hundreds of miles away. And football is not even the crown jewel of this state.

I guess it is worth a try. :rolleyes:

Seems to me you are defeating your own purpose You wanted to be able to get into and be successful in the playoffs. Once teams join this "maverick" league they will no longer be eligible to compete in playoffs with normal schools. Example, if a Texas private school chose to be in your league, they could schedule games all year with other private and public schools in Texas but those games would all be exhibition games, just like the ones when a Oklahoma school plays a Texas school. They do not count in the standings for either team. And there has to be agreement before the game over which set of rules will be used. If schools not in your "league" refuse to play under your rules, your teams will get no games.

Directors of Football Operations :rolleyes: across the country are breathing a sigh of relief upon reading that kurt bryan is not going to force them to join the kbff. (new federation)

Please add the term "great humanitarian" to your bio.

This sounds all well and good except for one thing - schools and ALL their sports typically belong to a state association. Schools are not going to withdraw from the state association just so they can use the A-11 in football.

Schools WANT to compete for state championships and the state associations themselves are going to have to decline using NFHS rules for football and that simply isn't going to happen. If they do adopt another rule set, it will be the NCAA ruleset that already outlaws the A-11 in most situations.

That's something to look forward to.

update
 

Not true:

Please re-read my post above more closely.

ANY team will be able to be a part of the new Federation and play teams that do or do not elect to be a part of it.

Teams playing each other from differing governing bodies has been happening for years. Rescheduling will not need to happen, the precedent has been set.

Best of Luck.

Kb

It sounds to me that someone in that room leaked info to the A-11 faction, though, as defensively as they are already acting.

Or they actually figured out what "spirit and intent" means and how it applies to the applicable rules; and thus are able to anticipate how the NFHS will respond.

But they will not be able to participate in state-sponsored championship tournaments. And don't think member schools are going to schedule games (or keep scheduled games) with non-member schools. That's wasting a game night (and possible injuries) on a game that will not count towards their ratings.

You are right, but there are often standards. I know in my state there are regulations for who teams can play and when they can play. At one time there were travel restrictions as to how far they could play other teams in other states. It is possible (but extremely unlikely) that state associations might outlaw their members from playing in such a program. Then again, we all can dream.

Peace

In our state all games go towards playoff consideration if they are playing teams within their guidelines. You need 5 wins in a 9 week season to be eligible for post season in Illinois, and those games can be from out of state teams. The question is whether the IHSA would allow their members to play games in such an organization. This would be another consideration if such an organization was formed.

The bottom line, it is not going to happen with schools across the country.

Peace

Who is going to officiate these games? I am certified and more importantly insured by the NFHS which covers games governed by the NFHS. I would not be insured if a game was in the KBF (Kurt Bryan Federation.)

I wonder where our boy is now that is was handing out lectures on what we could or could not say? :D

Probably b1tching about the superbowl officials.

look closely
 

Now I am certainly not here touting KB's super federation...however the insurance issue is a non issue. If you look closely, the insurance the federation provides covers you anytime you are working a sport that the federation recognizes. Not just NFHS games. The way I read it, if you work YMCA football games your NFHS insurance covers you if you get hurt working the Y games as well...

Why would anyone complain about this?

Sounds like a win-win situation to me. If a bunch of schools want to go play this other game that has a passing resemblance to football, who cares? Let them, and I wish them all the success in the world.

Personally, I am full up on actual football games, and don't feel like reffing another sport, so I would pass on picking up any of this new sports games, but no skin off my back if they want to form their own club to play.

Heck, at that point they would not even need to pretend to respect the actual game of football, and could write the rules however they like for their new game. More power to them.

Exactly. I'm sure they'll find plenty of people who want to officiate football*. Sorta like soccer. :D

Never say never. But!

First, I did find one good thing about the A-11, it would reduce the confusion of getting players into the correct number for the position(s) they play.

However, forming a new "league" to replace the stodgy old NFHS is at best a long shot. Consider most schools belong to the state association for all sports and most sports use NFHS rules at the high school level. Colleges recruit at those schools. Players seek to be recruited at those schools. Whole football programs are built around those schools.

As has been pointed out if only a few schools decide to join the cost of travel alone could be a burden to schools already cost conscious budgets. Enough to get push back from most athletic directors.

College recruiters who already focus on a certain set of schools will no doubt pass the A-11 Federation by as being not football. Good players want to get recruited. So, the A-11 Federation becomes alternative football.

Just for some perspective. Soccer is now a major high school sport but that was not always. Thirty-five years ago soccer was only at a handful of schools even with the blessing of NFHS. There was a lot of travel and very little support as it conflicted with football. That has changed with NFHS backing. Imagine if NFHS had not baked the sport.

My last point and this is for Coach Bryan. If you had not publicized the A-11 and just simply run the offense, NFHS would have not had the opportunity to so feverently seek to quash it. When it is ruled illegal what will you have accomplished? You had the approval of the local association. Why not just use what you had rather than seek a wider audience at the risk of having it declared illegal? Once it is illegal you cannot run it at all? If you felt this was best for the players at Piedmont, why did you not leave it within your own confines?

You can't make money selling videos if you are flying under the radar.

Ah gee, there you go again with the personal attacks. Prepare to be sued.

I don't disagree with that but by and large the rules have remained the same. You haven't had someone like KB say that since the keeper can use his hands the other 10 players on my team are all keepers so they can all use their hands.

ROTFLMAO! That's perfect.

When I was younger, there was a saying I heard adults utter from time to time: "Whistling past the grave yard."

Thanks for the bit of nostalgia, Kurt.

I certainly wish you the best in your new endeavor. If by chance it doesn't go quite as gloriously as you envision it, I understand Billy Mays is looking for an assistant.

Seriously though, be sure to come back and let us know which teams decided to withdraw from their state organizations and follow you into oblivion. A claim of "hundreds" won't do. Names, sir, we will need names.

People making their own A-11 federation is probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Why would a team drop out of a state governing body to go to a new one that has NO PLAYOFFS and NO ORGANIZATION for their teams? If they did, they could be like "We're the best out of 3 teams in the whole state that run this dumb offense!"

If they didn't want to play real football, they would play 9 man where everyone is eligible. Nobody in their right mind is going to break off all their rivalries and leave their conferences to run this flash-in-the-pan offense. You had a nice little run Kurt, just give it up already!

Tick tock.

http://highschool.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=911196

REPLY: From the highschool.rivals.com article posted by RichMSN:

"What the A-11 can do is have offensive players wait until the final seconds of the play clock and then take positions on the line making it difficult for the defense to know, until the last moment, which receivers are eligible."

Which is precisely why the numbering rule was put into the Federation and NCAA rules back in the early 70s: so that the defense has a reasonable opportunity to know which six offensive players are (might be) eligible. The numbering rule allows them to rule out the 50-79s.

My first comment on this offense was that I thought it violated the spirit of the rules. Nothing that we've seen in the past year has given me reason to think otherwise.