OSU/Texas ending
 

OK, I had two reasons to watch the Fiesta Bowl, aside from natural necessity just by being a male: I'm a Buckeye fan, and my great cousin was white hatting the game.

As a fellow white hat I have a valid question to ask of him. On the game winning touchdown Texas was called for USC for rushing the field after the TD, which was totally called for. What I want to know is why the receiver was not flagged for USC for diving into the endzone when he was totally clear of any defenders. The following kickoff should have been from the 7 1/2 yard line. Those 7 yards would have been crucial after the kick return, as OSU would have been at (or across) midfield, and vastly changing the play call on 1st down. Keep in mind, the OSU place kicker would have just needed a few yards to be placed into field goal range.

Hope my cousin as a reason why there was no flag on the receiver, because it was totally warranted.

I didn't get the number he gave, but he said "excessive celebration." The cameras didn't show a "rush the field." Not saying it didn't happen -- it very well could have and that might have been what was flagged -- but upon what was seen, I don't know for sure the diving into the end zone wasn't what the infraction was.

Was that not what he was flagged for?

And if that was not what the flag was for (they were called for USC BTW), then I can easily make a case that he was diving in to make sure he scored. He did not just do a swan dive. He was trying to get into the end zone. But I thought that was what the flag was for.

How about, not put them in that position and win the damn game? I am tired of Buckeyes complaining when you cannot finish the deal.

Peace

A different question from the game. OSU #90 was called twice for roughing the passer, regradless if this was the right call on the second time, I thought I read some where where after the 2nd personal foul the player was kicked out of te game. There is a chance I made that up! THanks for your help!

Yeah, you made that up. :p

It is the second USC Foul that warrants and ejection. (Those involve no contact)

Peace

OK, if the foul was on the receiver, then the entire Texas sideline should have been flagged for running 15 yards or so onto the field. Yeah, they were excited, but rules are rules.

I'm not making excuses, either, it's a valid question. Like I said, my cuz was white hatting, so I will definitely be asking him about that play (and the incorrect Roughing the Passer call in the 3rd quarter).

Great game to watch though!

OK, i wasn't playing in the game, but whatever. Some of us get tired of you, too. :rolleyes:

Does this mean Iowa was the only Big Ten team to win its Bowl game?

How about a flag on the OSU coaching staff for running damned near out to the hashmarks on the 4th down play before the winning TD?

Amazing how this is "OK" and the "excessive celebration" gets the flag.

Yes it sure does :D

You are making excuses. :rolleyes:

The OSU sideline could have been flagged too for their being on the field during the

BTW, the Roughing was correct, because the contact was with the crown of the helmet. It might not have been helmet to helmet contact, but you cannot lead with your head. I think the officials thought the contact was with the helmet on the QB, but it still was the right call.

Stop whining, they lost. Nothing stops you from stopping them all the way down the field to score. If there was not a flag on the TD dive, that did not have anything to do with why they allowed Texas to score.

Peace

The hashmarks on the sideline must be what you're referring to, because that's where the were standing. Nice try though.

Hey, no complaints here. I won a pretty penny on that game. Bucks covered the spread easily.

I wish all codes would just change the celebration rules to reflect a true un-sportsmanslike act. Some reactions to a play are true human emotions and not taunting.

I agree with you on that point. But we've got to play with the cards we're dealt right now. The problem is, how can one define the difference between emotion and taunting. I think the rules are the way they are right now is because there is such a fine line... gotta flag all of it instead of some of it.

At least 3 coaches were INSIDE the white hat who had come over to measure. What about that huge white band is so hard for coaches to understand and officials to enforce?

Nice to see none of them working to get those coaches off the field, too.

Oh, another great finish by the Buckeyes again. 3 BCS bowl games lost in a row. Couldn't happen to a nicer team.

QB throws and interception. After the pass the defensive end roughs the QB.

PF - Roughing.

Next Series the same thing happens. Another personal foul, roughing.

Similar situation but instead of roughing the QB the DE taunts the QB.

After USC foul number 2, taunting, the DE is DQ'd.

I'm just saying...

What you described makes sense. You do not get DQ'd on the second personal foul (unless flagrant single act of course).

Peace

Way to blow my legitimate question out of the water guys.

As to the 4th down play and the coaches on the field, yes, some OSU coaches were 2 yards onto the field, but after watching the replay, on the wide angle, the same number of Texas coaches are out onto the field, too. So, no dice there.

Again, great game to watch. Great job by my cuz. But i'd still like an explanation on the USC, should've been 2 instead of 1. And more than likely it didn't matter anyway, but you never know.

And to JRut, I hope I never cross paths with you. The way you try to bully people around on the boards says VOLUMES about you. I know exactly what type of ref you'd be. :rolleyes:

And as far as OSU not finishing games off, you couldn't be further from the truth. They've had problems showing up in the past couple bowl games, not finishing them off. Usually when they're in tight games, they put it away. Just ask the '02 Canes in the same Fiesta Bowl.

And to Colt McCoy, way to eke out a victory over a big underdog, while the two 2 teams that pounded OSU have already played in the Rose Bowl. Enjoy your runner-up title, heck, Utah should be deserving of a share of a title, not you guys.

I was yelling "STICK HIM!" at the TV when this was happening. I wasn't expecting him to of course but you never know.

I thought for sure he, or his assistants, were gonna cost them 15 yards.

On another note, I do feel a little bit sorry for both Oklahoma and Florida. Based on the rotation of officiating crews so far for the BCS, that means either the PAC 10 or ACC has the National Championship game this year.

I was hoping to see the Big XII, Big Ten, or Big East get the crew assignment for the National Championship. BTW Desert Zebra, kudos to your cousin's crew last night, I thought they did a GREAT job in the game especially at the end.

Your cousin deserves a lot of props for keeping his crew calm, cool, and collective with all the emotion of both sides in the weighing moments of the game.

Not that it really means anything but the R actually announced "excessive demonstration", which created some interesting discussion in the ref chatroom we had going.

From the Box Score:
T 1-10 O26 McCoy, Colt pass complete to Cosby, Quan for 26 yards to the OHIOST0,
1ST DOWN UT, TOUCHDOWN, clock 00:16.
Unsportmanlike conduct (excessive demonstration) penalty on kickoff.
Lawrence, Hunte kick attempt good.

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OHIO STATE 21, TEXAS 24
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T 1-G T30 PENALTY UT unsportsmanlike conduct (Cosby, Quan) 15 yards to the
UT15.




FYI - ACC has the MNC game (Ron "giving him the business" Cherry at R)

I watched some of the ESPN coverage after the game and their banner at the bottom of the screen initially said,

"Ohio State 5-2 in BCS Bowl Games"
"Texas ends 5 game BCS win streak"

I'm guessing they created two different banners depending on who won and showed the wrong one. It was up for several seconds and then came down. I was imagining some guy in the production truck going "Oh S%*#!" and pulling it down. But then it was back up again! It came down another time and when it went back up, Ohio State was now 5-3 in BCS games (I think they had the Texas 6-game win streak that time). A few minutes later they finally corrected the Ohio State record to 4-3.

Not a big deal but something that was at least a little entertaining at such a late hour.

The number the WH gave for the USC was not the number of the guy who scored.

Ok, which of you is going to flag a coaching staff for being on the field during a dead ball in a big game like this? I think the officials did a good job handling it. Common sense prevails.

Good game. Except for poor defense on the TD at the end, the Bucks played well against a great offense. Texas can't claim #1 because they barely beat OSU which already lost twice before including a blowout to USC.

I think a 4-team playoff is do-able to end this bickering. All you do is rotate the semis among the major bowls each year and have the final the next week. There aren't more than 4 teams that are at the very top in any year.

Hey DZ...do you know what exactly they were complaining about? It looked like the initial spot by the LJ was about a half yard short of the LTG. I thought he reached the LTG so my initial reaction was bad spot. When the camera came back to the ball though, it was marked where I thought it should be marked. I assumed Tressel's reaction was due to someone changing the initial spot made by the LJ even though I thought it was the correct spot. I could understand why he was upset if he thought he was getting jobbed but a changed spot but in the end, the officials got the right spot.

This year I think there could be more than 4 I would like to see in that playoff: Texas, Oklahoma, Florida, Alabama, USC, Utah and maybe Penn State or Texas Tech. That would have made a great 8-team playoff as well! If you had to go with 4, Florida, Texas, Oklahoma, Alabama would not have been bad but Utah's win makes that discussion even more interesting.

I've always enjoyed the Bowl games as they are and would be fine if they stuck with that and did NOT have a national champion at all. If they want to have a national champion though, I think they need to go to a playoff. They can keep the other bowls for teams that don't make the playoffs but a national champion for a team sport that keeps score needs to have its champion determined by a playoff.

Except if Oklahoma, aka Texas North, beats Florida and then you recall that UT beat OU 45-35 on a neutral field. :)

Not me, but I'm at least going to make an effort to GET THEM OFF THE FIELD and NOW. The officials stood there like the guy in the commercial getting yelled at by his wife.

Now, week 3 in Podunk, WI? We won't need to measure anymore. :D

You're right. Here's the video. He calls it on #7.

Texas' #7s are junior CB Deon Beasley and sophomore QB John Chiles, neither of whom, presumably, was in the game at that point.

The official play-by-play sheet says it was Quan Cosby (who's 26 years old, BTW, and should know better), who is #6 and that makes the most sense.

I saw the play and thought, "Well, that there is one of those showboating dives into the end zone with no defenders present that could get him a USC" and when the flag was thrown, they also showed the Texas sideline kind of all over the place (I couldn't tell if they went out onto the field or how far) so I figured somebody was going to get hit and either one would have worked.

And I thought the forward progress spot on the fourth down play was good.

That's exactly what I think happened. The spot was changed (rightfully so) and Tressel nearly flew off the handle when it did. My guess is that the LJ wasn't perpindicular to the play because it was coming right at him and he didn't want to get clobbered. He was probably given help by the HL or U on the spot. Again, great spot.

I wasn't worried about Tressel being flagged for being on the field, but rather what words might come out of his mouth.

Or, we could just cut to the chase and have #1 and #2 play, which is what we have Thursday, and cut out the middleman.

Had Florida not been in the BCS title game, I'd have said, "Fine. Shouldn't have lost to Ole Miss at home." (And I went to Florida).

Everybody has a ding on their record. Please don't tell me about Utah. Good team. If you honestly think they're one of the two best teams in the country, fine, but I don't see it.

Dumbass Laura Okmin after the game last night talking about how "nobody thought you should be here," which is completely asinine. Talk to the Big 12 about how they break ties for a division title. You could have put Texas in Thursday's game just as easily as Oklahoma (and maybe Texas Tech, until they got smacked by Ole Miss). These are fine distinctions when you get down to deciding between one-loss teams.

Oklahoma and Florida have impressive bodies of work (as do some other teams). Sorry about your luck if you have an impressive body of work and don't get into the one game at the end, but those are the breaks.

Yeah, I'm pro-playoff. Present me with a format that everybody can live with. Good luck.

Wow, that should be easy to do! I wonder if God has a little free time to work on it this year.

I still say, top 4. If you have top 4 or top 8 or top 16, there will ALWAYS be some teams and supporters saying they should be higher than 5 or 9 or 17. I contend that you can pick a top 4 that can be supported by most people who are reasonable.

We can't pick a top 2, a top 4 might only be 50% less contentious.

The problem is, most people aren't reasonable. Hell, Todd Blackledge during whatever the hell bowl game he was doing said you should take five bowl games (I forget which ones, the usual suspects) and then "take two of those five winners."

How the hell is that going to solve anything?

There's always going to be somebody who *****es, and usually quite loudly from a bully pulpit, even if they're full of crap.

The bottom line is this: ESPN has just made a major financial commitment to the current system. It's not going to be used as a preliminary to a "real" top two or top four or top eight situation because that devalues their investment and they're not going to throw more money on top of that IF the powers that be come up with a Plus-1 or whatever.

I chuckle when I some talking head says, "Man it would be great to have (insert team here) play the winner of Florida/Oklahoma." Yeah, but why? How many shots are you going to get?

Exactly! And what about the year where there really are 2 undefeated team and one of them wins the game? Is it fair for them to have to play a game against a team that has already lost once just because we HAVE to have a +1. I definitely don't like that option. Either have a playoff (I prefer at least 8 teams) to determine a national champion or have a bowl system with no national champion.

I don't think the flag was on the receiver for jumping into the end zone. The number announced by the white hat and the number that receiver was wearing didn't match. Maybe an error in reporting, or they picked out one person for the sideline rush?

Box score has foul as being on the scoring player. Probably just a missed announcement by the R.

Like I said - "#7" was either a junior corner or a sophomore quarterback, neither of whom was in the game.

I don't know that either that corner or quarterback would have been the only guy who stepped onto the field, or that you'd single out any one person for that at random just because.

The simplest explanation (which may or may not be the correct one - only the simplest one) is that the WH gave the wrong number. The official play-by-play sheet has it as being on #6. (And that's not the gospel, either.)

Not trying to be a jerk, but as an official, you may want to think about these sort of activities if you plan to advance up the ranks.

You're right.

Sincerely,

Stephen Pamon

Agreed. Bad practice and even worse to boast about it.

Friendly wagers, no biggie. Stop making mountains.

Ok, here's a format for you...
 

Seed the 4 BCS bowls with the top 8 teams and move them to December
23rd and 24th. The winner of those 4 bowl games play January 1st and 3rd. The winner of those two games plays January 16th. This pushes the season out only 8 more days. It could have been done this year. There were only two bowls on the 23rd and 24th(Poinsettia and Sheraton Hawaii bowls). These could have been moved to December 22nd.

I don't believe anybody can argue that the best team in college football will be ranked out of the top 8.

Very possibly a non-starter for the bowls involved.

We could come up with formats all day long.

The problem is getting buy-in from everybody involved.

I doubt very seriously that 4 BCS bowls would have been all in favor of moving from their dates to December 23 and 24. Just a guess.

So you know, the NCAA does not consider any wager to be "friendly" or "no biggie." Not making mountains, just giving you something to keep in mind as you keep officiating.

I love it when pompous officials become FANBOYS.

I'm not trying to make mountians. I assumed that it was a firendly wager and nothing more. There are times that we can take an opportunity to help each other out if we see some potential issues that, as individuals, we may not see in ourselves.

Right now, the microscope is on all officials. We need to ever be vigilant as to how we are viewed. As a friendly note from one official to another, its probably not a good idea to talk on a public forum about your team covering the spread. Its one of those things that may be completely innocent, yet may cause you to do a lot of explaining some day you want to do college ball.

How about officials playing fantasy football? Granted that is the NFL level and most of us will never work at that level but it is another form of gambling. I'm not a fan of fantasy but this thought popped in my head when I read these comments.