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ref18 Wed Nov 12, 2008 12:21pm

They Pull off the "Hook and Ladder"
 
A high school semi-final game I did last Friday had a team down by 5 points on the last play of the game.

They attempted the hook and ladder and pulled it off for the touchdown.


TheSpec.com - Video

hawkishowl20 Wed Nov 12, 2008 12:29pm

Boy does 12 take some getting used to. Just looks wrong.

Robert Goodman Wed Nov 12, 2008 01:44pm

Hook and lateral, not hook & ladder, unless the receivers were responding to a "fire" call.

ref18 Wed Nov 12, 2008 02:31pm

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Originally Posted by Robert Goodman (Post 550067)
Hook and lateral, not hook & ladder, unless the receivers were responding to a "fire" call.

Hook and lateral - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wikipedia gives legitimacy to both terms. :p

OverAndBack Wed Nov 12, 2008 02:43pm

I've always heard both. I think the derivation is from hook (the route the receiver runs) and lateral (what happens after that), but in the way that terms in our language often get corrupted (or run through Cockney slang translators), it has become "hook and ladder" as that is an already-accepted phrase in our vernacular.

Speaking of that, here's probably the most famous instance of that play:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y19...nd_lateral.gif

Clark Kent Wed Nov 12, 2008 03:01pm

why 12?
 
What league/state that allows 12 players and why did they do that?

ref18 Wed Nov 12, 2008 03:20pm

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Originally Posted by Clark Kent (Post 550098)
What league/state that allows 12 players and why did they do that?

Canadian football. 12 players on a 110 Yard field.

wwcfoa43 Wed Nov 12, 2008 03:33pm

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Originally Posted by Clark Kent (Post 550098)
What league/state that allows 12 players and why did they do that?

Actually 11 players and the tiny U.S. field was because Harvard did not have enough room on their field for the proper size Rugby pitch and so 100 yards with 10 yard end zones and 11 players was born!

wwcfoa43 Wed Nov 12, 2008 03:35pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ref18 (Post 550033)
A high school semi-final game I did last Friday had a team down by 5 points on the last play of the game.

They attempted the hook and ladder and pulled it off for the touchdown.


TheSpec.com - Video

Who was that signally the TD on the 8 yard line? :-)

Ed Hickland Wed Nov 12, 2008 03:41pm

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Originally Posted by wwcfoa43 (Post 550109)
Actually 11 players and the tiny U.S. field was because Harvard did not have enough room on their field for the proper size Rugby pitch and so 100 yards with 10 yard end zones and 11 players was born!

A nice bit of trivia:)

ref18 Wed Nov 12, 2008 03:55pm

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Originally Posted by wwcfoa43 (Post 550111)
Who was that signally the TD on the 8 yard line? :-)

That wasn't me.

I was signaling the TD on the goal line as the BJ.

Warrenkicker Wed Nov 12, 2008 04:05pm

That was far from a hook and whatever you want to call it. 5 backward passes on the last play of the game. And the second one was almost caught with a knee down.

So do Canadian rules only state that the teams must be dressed differently and not one in a colored jersey and the other in white? It wasn't hard to tell them apart but maroon and bright red on the same field looks odd to us southerners. It was like seeing Nebraska play Texas A&M both in home uniforms.

wwcfoa43 Wed Nov 12, 2008 04:22pm

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Originally Posted by Warrenkicker (Post 550128)
That was far from a hook and whatever you want to call it. 5 backward passes on the last play of the game. And the second one was almost caught with a knee down.

So do Canadian rules only state that the teams must be dressed differently and not one in a colored jersey and the other in white? It wasn't hard to tell them apart but maroon and bright red on the same field looks odd to us southerners. It was like seeing Nebraska play Texas A&M both in home uniforms.

You must remember that the budgets for high school football in Canada are vastly different than in the U.S. There are not too many high schools with two sets of uniforms. So we must deal with uniforms that could look similar.

The Canadian rule book does not specify that the schools must wear different colours.

wwcfoa43 Wed Nov 12, 2008 04:23pm

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Originally Posted by ref18 (Post 550123)
That wasn't me.

I was signaling the TD on the goal line as the BJ.

Then since you have had exposure to WWCFOA and the other official presumably has not, I can only assume that it was your proper WWCFOA exposure that had you using proper mechanics.

ref18 Wed Nov 12, 2008 05:36pm

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Originally Posted by wwcfoa43 (Post 550138)
Then since you have had exposure to WWCFOA and the other official presumably has not, I can only assume that it was your proper WWCFOA exposure that had you using proper mechanics.

Actually I credit it to the HFOA training meetings and clinics, something WWCFOA lacks.

Forced evaluations can only go so far until you actually have to train your members.


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