illegal shift or illegal motion

[verticalStripes]

Fed rules.

I know this is not a big deal because the enforcement is the same. However, if all 11 A players break the huddle and come to set positions. Then, two players ( both are backs off the LOS) go in motion not towards the opponents goaline. The ball is snap while both players are in motion.

Illegal shift or illegal motion. I heard this argued both ways.

[dumbref]

Illegal shift 2-39 & 7-2-6

[verticalStripes]

How does 2-39 apply? The two A players do not move to a new set position before the ensuing snap.

[LDUB]

Illegal shift means 2 or more players were moving and all of them did not come set prior to the snap.

Illegal motion for a back means he is moving forward at the time of the snap.

[dumbref]

Originally Posted by verticalStripes

How does 2-39 apply? The two A players do not move to a new set position before the ensuing snap.

Exactly - the two players moving, whether they were set after the huddle or not, constitutes a shift. If they do not come set for one second prior to the snap, it's an illegal shift under 7-2-6.

[kdf5]

All 11 players stop for one second, which is a shift. Then two players go in motion, legally, since all players had stopped for one second. Both are moving at the snap. That is illegal motion. Had one of the two in motion stopped moving and the other kept going to the snap, then you would have had an illegal shift because if the one stopped moving then the other would have had to stop too for one second.

Illegal Motion:

7-2-7...Only one A player may be in motion at the snap and then only if such motion is not toward his opponent’s goal line......

Illegal shift:

7-2-6...After a huddle or shift all 11 players of A shall come to an absolute stop and shall remain stationary simultaneously without movement of hands, feet, head or body for at least one second before the snap

[waltjp]

Originally Posted by kdf5

All 11 players stop for one second, which is a shift. Then two players go in motion, legally, since all players had stopped for one second. Both are moving at the snap. That is illegal motion. Had one of the two in motion stopped moving and the other kept going to the snap, then you would have had an illegal shift because if the one stopped moving then the other would have had to stop too for one second.

Illegal Motion:

7-2-7...Only one A player may be in motion at the snap and then only if such motion is not toward his opponent’s goal line......

Or

Illegal shift:

7-2-6...After a huddle or shift all 11 players of A shall come to an absolute stop and shall remain stationary simultaneously without movement of hands, feet, head or body for at least one second before the snap

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by kdf5

All 11 players stop for one second, which is a shift. Then two players go in motion, legally, since all players had stopped for one second. Both are moving at the snap. That is illegal motion. Had one of the two in motion stopped moving and the other kept going to the snap, then you would have had an illegal shift because if the one stopped moving then the other would have had to stop too for one second.

kdf5, I don't think this is correct. Think of it this way: if you were designing a play, would you put 2 players in motion? Of course not: that can't ever be legal as a motion play. So it isn't: when 2 players or more are moving it's a shift, and if they don't come set it's an illegal shift.

With one player in motion, you have the possibility of legal motion. If he does something wrong (moves toward the LOS, for instance), then the motion becomes illegal motion.

The fouls here are based on the idea that whatever the team is doing starts out legal, and if they screw it up it's illegal. So having two players moving at the snap would have to be an illegal shift.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by verticalStripes

Fed rules.

I know this is not a big deal because the enforcement is the same. However, if all 11 A players break the huddle and come to set positions. Then, two players ( both are backs off the LOS) go in motion not towards the opponents goaline. The ball is snap while both players are in motion.

Illegal shift or illegal motion. I heard this argued both ways.

CANADIAN RULING:

Legal. We don't restrict behind-the-LS motion.