Nfl cheap shot MNF
 

Anybody see Luis Castillo get cut down by Jets RB

Cant believe they missed that call, I saw it from the loge level over 200 yds away at the opposite end zone and that was after about 10 cold ones.

Unbelievable, the nfl should be more worried about protecting Defensive players has they generally only care about QB's

Im sure they will fine him 25K which really is a joke because tomas jones makes 5 million per.

Could you describe the play better?

What about the play was cheap or illegal?

Peace

A little heart-to-heart here, fljet.

Of the posts you have started, most (maybe all?) of them are questioning the judgment of NFL officials and seemingly acuse them of incompetence.

If you are truly starting out in Pop Warner/Pee Wee football and looking to move up, you need to understand that you won't make friends here by continuing to attack game officials. Many of us consider the NFL officials the best there are and are more likely to trust the judgment of an NFL official over a Pop Warner official.

So here is what I propose. Ask about situations rather than editorializing about how the officials missed things.

Mike, you're not the only one to notice that. :rolleyes:

Were you this concerned about sportsmanship when Rodeny Harrison was playing in SD? Were you upset when Bryan Westbrook's helmet got twisted around last Monday vs. Dallas and no call was made?

Do think maybe the NFL has a conspiracy against the Chargers?

Most of us are here to learn.

And most of us will ignore the whiners. :)

RE:NFL cheap shot MNF
 

Couldn't agree more Forksref, well said. I'm a 6th yr HS offical and I frequent this forum everyday at luch so I can learn more about officiating the game from some really fine officials. I am a bit tired of the wannabe refs and or coaches at pop warner level who come here to complain and not learn.
Jrut, jugglin, keep the good adivce coming to guys like me who want to excel at there advocation, not rip somoene for being human. :D

Agreed.

Do not feed the trolls.

JLET,
You sound like most people in the stands. You really don't know the rules & think that your view from more then 100 yards is better then those on the field. Have you ever done a college or pro football game? Even with 7 officials on the field you are not going to see every foul, try as you will you can't see everything. As officials we do not have the benefit of slow motion or 10 guys in a production trailer to help see every call.


I would suggest to you to try working some game before you start talking about throwing beer on Mr. Hochuli. If you had 1 10th the self respect the Mr. Hochuli has you would not speek ill of one of the best the game has seen. How many times at your job have you made a mistake? When you do I would guess you don't handle it with as much dignity that Mr. Hochuli has.

I have been worked as an official starting with jr, then on a high school crew while doing JV games. Then stepped up to D2 College and I am now working D1 ball, so I do know what I am talking about. I would like to see you try to even work a game with 40+ thousand fans, & these fans like you think they know the rules. I don't know if this is true but someone in this post said you are new to officiating football. Everyone just starting out feels they are "masters of the rules" What you might not understand is jr high football has a different rule book the college & the pros. When you get the 200+ page rule book & take some of the test we take (all year not just Sept - Oct) then call me, other wise keep the BS to yourself.

Sorry everyone else for venting here, it just pisses me off the this A$$ hat talks about throwing beer on someone that he can't even hold his jock. Grow up Jrut you should strive to be half as good as Mr. Hochuli on the field.

I like the tags at the bottom of the page:

conspiracy theory, fanboy

Here is a questions for Umpires: Do you wear a jock on the field?
A few weeks ago I ended up not getting out of the way of an OLiner going out for a block and got punched in the... Well, we called an officials timeout.

Had never considered wearing a jock up till that point.

Fljet you are making a wealth of "friends". Truly good officials which I hope you aspire don't openly criticize other officials.

What good officials do is look at the why of what happened and how to improve it. Good officials watch other officials work without bias, even though you are rooting for your favorite, and learn.

You say there was a cut block you saw from 200 yards, why do you think the officials missed it?

Why do you make a blanket statement about ALL NFL officials while citing just one play?

You may be a rookie Pop Warner official (which I personally doubt) but you seem to be a veteran idiot.

wow you guys are tough
 

I never said I am going to throw beer on Hochuli, I would not risk the consequences on him the guy messed up, its the 65000 other people in the stands who may not feel that way

I think Eddie Big Guns has demonstrated to be a good official during his 19 year career, and is one of the better officials out there. just not recently

and I am not bashing the MNF crew, it was an obvious illegal block and it was in plain view, I was just surprised that everyone let it go or missed it. I am tired of seeing DL get their knees blown up wether or not they are a favorite player of mine.

The purpose of my thread was to point out that the NFL needs to stop worring so much about protecting QB but protect all players in vunerable situations.

Im sure most of you didnt watch the game though since none of you commented on the purpose of my post which was the illegal block and you all try to busy trying to bash me.

I asked you a simple question. What was done that was illegal? Just saying you "thought" it was illegal does not cut it here. We usually like facts or at the very least describe the play in question. You have done neither but bash the crew without even giving an example of what was missed. That suggests to me that you do not know the legality of the situation, you just came here to ***** about it. That is fine, but if you had offered more information, you might not have the tags at the bottom related to this tread suggesting you are a fan boy or that you are clueless to this issue. It is really easy, what was done illegal that the crew missed. We need more than "Luis gets cut by a NY Jet RB." That is legal in the NFL and a lot of situations, something specific would make it illegal. I am going to guess you have no idea what that would be.

Peace

[QUOTE=fljet;539406] The purpose of my thread was to point out that the NFL needs to stop worring so much about protecting QB but protect all players in vunerable situations. [\QUOTE]

I'd like to hear a description of the play too. You're saying you saw and called this one a foul so give us the detail which made it illegal. It will be good practice for you as you move up because that's what you have to do....write up specific descriptions. If you can't do it then everybody will know you're blowing smoke. Not that they don't already think so.

Second. To your line about the purpose of your thread recopied above. You seem to be saying that the importance of protecting players other than the QB is somehow an NFL policy. Have officials been told that the safety of non-QB positions are definitively to be placed on the back burner and are to be ignored? Some clarification on your part is needed as to what you mean.

How do you come to the conclusion that most did not watch the game? Maybe it's obvious that you are just trying to bash officials and you were too drunk to really pay attention to the game since you don't want to comment on any of the mechanical elements of the play?

A cut on a defensive player…. Oooook. That is often legal. Did this happen outside the box? Do you mean a chop block? Was the defender engaged with another blocker? These are the things they are talking about when they say describe the play.

As to your philosophical point, the NFL is bending over backwards to protect its players from injury. Many think they are cluttering the rules due to fan pressure. Outside of all the QB protections, receivers and ball carriers have new protections as well. (defenseless position, horse collar, etc.) I don’t know what you are advocating… a no cut blocking rule?

There is no "Box" in the NFL.

Peace

QBs sell tickets. A lot more people want to see great QB play than great LB play (and, yes, I know their is a minority of people that would prefer to see the LBs). Now, I am not saying it's right or fair how the NFL protects QBs more than other players, but the NFL is a business, and they have made a choice that is best for business. Personally, I think some roughing the passer calls in the NFL are kinda light, but that is how they want it called. The NFL did not become the most popular sports league in America by accident. Also, I agree with JRutledge...tell us what actually happened, not just what you think you saw.

Under these circumstances I'm pretty sure "what actually happened" will not be what he "thinks he saw." :)

My point exactly....of course I am not sure that the former is possible.

The XFL discovered this. Unintended consequences. They tried to say, "See, you'll like this because the quarterback can't be a nancyboy, he'll take real hits like Johnny Unitas and Bart Starr used to." Only quarterbacks today aren't used to that, and the XFL wasn't exactly blessed with great quarterback depth to begin with (their front-line guys weren't that great, either) and quickly discovered the very real (competitive and financial) reasons that you protect the quarterback in this day and age.