Shifts,Motions and Illegal touching

[boboman316]

I had a game in the past where I was on team A's sideline. There was two people moving at the same time at the snap (illegal shift) and he wasn't happy when I threw the flag. The play went on, and team B intercepted the ball and returned it for a TD. And all I heard the whole way down the sideline was "why didn't you kill the play, we fouled!!!" So he wasn't happy I flagged him, and then he wanted me to kill it after the turnover. This is another reason why motion and shifts are live ball fouls. If the player simulates the snap (reciever or back going on 1 instead of 2) then it shoudl be a false start.

[kdf5]

Originally Posted by boboman316

I had a game in the past where I was on team A's sideline. There was two people moving at the same time at the snap (illegal shift).......

Two people moving at the snap is illegal motion, not an illegal shift.

Illegal Motion:

7-2-7...ART. 7 . . . Only one A player may be in motion at the snap and then only if such motion is not toward his opponent’s goal line. Except for the player “under the snapper,” as outlined in Article 3, the player in motion shall be at least 5 yards behind his line of scrimmage at the snap if he started from any position not clearly behind the line and did not establish himself as a back by stopping for at least one full second while no part of his body is breaking the vertical plane through the waistline of his nearest teammate who is on the line of scrimmage.

An illegal shift would have occurred had one of your two guys stopped (shifted) while the other one didn't and continued his motion at the snap. S shift occurs when a player stops moving. If he does, then everyone has to stop for at least one second.

[waltjp]

Originally Posted by kdf5

Two people moving at the snap is illegal motion, not an illegal shift.

Illegal Motion:

7-2-7...ART. 7 . . . Only one A player may be in motion at the snap and then only if such motion is not toward his opponent’s goal line. Except for the player “under the snapper,” as outlined in Article 3, the player in motion shall be at least 5 yards behind his line of scrimmage at the snap if he started from any position not clearly behind the line and did not establish himself as a back by stopping for at least one full second while no part of his body is breaking the vertical plane through the waistline of his nearest teammate who is on the line of scrimmage.

Or

7-2-6 After a huddle or shift all 11 players of A shall come to an absolute stop and shall remain stationary simultaneously without movement of hands, feet, head or body for at least one second before the snap.

PENALTY: illegal shift (Art. 6) – (S20)

[Forksref]

Originally Posted by boboman316

I had a game in the past where I was on team A's sideline. There was two people moving at the same time at the snap (illegal shift) and he wasn't happy when I threw the flag. The play went on, and team B intercepted the ball and returned it for a TD. And all I heard the whole way down the sideline was "why didn't you kill the play, we fouled!!!" So he wasn't happy I flagged him, and then he wanted me to kill it after the turnover. This is another reason why motion and shifts are live ball fouls. If the player simulates the snap (reciever or back going on 1 instead of 2) then it shoudl be a false start.

Are you suggesting that you have a coach there who wants to have it both ways? Wow, how unique!