Face Mask question NFL SD vs DEN

[JugglingReferee]

In the NFL, it is also a facemask if one grabs the underside of an opponent's helmet.

In the NFL, it is also a facemask if one grabs the earhole of an opponent's helmet.

The correct call was made.

[waltjp]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

In the NFL, it is also a facemask if one grabs the underside of an opponent's helmet.

In the NFL, it is also a facemask if one grabs the earhole of an opponent's helmet.

The correct call was made.

This is also true in FED. Not sure about NCAA.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by waltjp

This is also true in FED. Not sure about NCAA.

Also true in Canada.

[waltjp]

Keep in mind that the original post was by someone who claims to be an official.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by waltjp

Keep in mind that the original post was by someone who claims to be an official.

Maybe the new feature of member-edittable tags is for tagging guys like the OP as trolls.

[fljet]

Originally Posted by waltjp

Keep in mind that the original post was by someone who claims to be an official.

I am a first year official in pop warner, not claiming to be an expert asking a serious question and not looking for a smart-*** answer.

I am not famillar with the new rule changes in the NFL rulebook all I know is that they did away with the Garden variety facemask.

Since he did not grab an opening or the facemask, it should not have been ruled a penalty

He grabed the backside of the crown of the helmet and fell to the ground

Another missed call by this crew I hope Mike P. at the NFL office caught it

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by fljet

I am a first year official in pop warner, not claiming to be an expert asking a serious question and not looking for a smart-*** answer.

I am not famillar with the new rule changes in the NFL rulebook all I know is that they did away with the Garden variety facemask.

Since he did not grab an opening or the facemask, it should not have been ruled a penalty

He grabed the backside of the crown of the helmet and fell to the ground

Another missed call by this crew I hope Mike P. at the NFL office caught it

What exactly is the backside of the crown of the helmet that one can grab?

Can you steal a picture of a helmet from the web, open it up in Microsoft Paint, point an arrow to where you mean that someone grabbed?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by fljet

Another missed call by this crew I hope Mike P. at the NFL office caught it

I think it's a conspiracy. The NFL front office is out to make sure the Chargers lose every week. I'm sure they are also responsible for Rosario Dawson be wide open in the back of the end zone.

How come you haven't commented on the 2 face mask penalties that were missed in Monday night's game? Where's your outrage about that?

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by fljet

I am not famillar with the new rule changes in the NFL rulebook all I know is that they did away with the Garden variety facemask.

Which only existed for (what is to me) a short time anyway. This is one of those back-and-forth rule changes football goes thru. The differential penalty for the face mask violation was introduced by NCAA and eventually copied by other bodies because it was thought that the personal foul resulted in tiny differences in judgement between no call at all and a 15 yarder, resulting in inconsistent enforcement. It was thought that by introducing an intermediate possibility that it would take away this "ledge" or "cliff" between no protection at all and a severe penalty in mild cases. After years of experience, I guess they figured that it made calls even more inconsistent to have this intermediate judgement, leading to 5 yards (and a first down in the NFL) in cases where the player so contacted wasn't really endangered thereby. Maybe some decades from now they'll go thru this cycle again with this rule -- unless headgear will have changed in a way that makes the whole thing moot.

Robert

[falsecut]

I suppose by "backside of the crown of the helmet" the poster is talking about the nape of the neck part, the area of the helmet where is at the spine but regardless of whether the face mask, an ear hole, or any edge of the helmet is grasped, regardless of that edge's position on the helmet, it's a penalty and it's dangerous.

[JasonTX]

Originally Posted by waltjp

This is also true in FED. Not sure about NCAA.

It is true for NCAA as well.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by JasonTX

It is true for NCAA as well.

As it should be. Tackling anyone by any part of the helmet is extremely dangerous.

[cmathews]

No player shall twist, turn or pull the face mask or any helmet opening of an opponent..............

and the biggest opening on a helmet is that part that the head fits through

[Welpe]

You are an official and don't know this very basic rule?

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by mbyron

As it should be. Tackling anyone by any part of the helmet is extremely dangerous.

But pulling on most parts wasn't so dangerous until the currently secured chin straps came into use. Used to be if you pulled on the back of the helmet, it just came off. Otherwise they'd've adopted the "any helmet opening" much earlier -- even before face bars came into use, if the 4-pt. attachment had come about earlier.

Robert