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TerpZebra Wed Sep 10, 2008 03:44pm

Video Play #2 from last friday night
 
Here is play #2 from last week.

It is 4th and 1. Assisting the runner is called on the following play.


Press Box view of the play


Press Box view of the play in slow motion

Press Box view of the play with zoom in slow motion

End Zone view of the play

End Zone view of the play in slow motion

What are your thoughts on the call?

cmathews Wed Sep 10, 2008 04:27pm

no way
 
I have seen way worse and it isn't called...unless the teammate picks up the ball carrier and packs them forward I got nothin....

HawkeyeCubP Wed Sep 10, 2008 04:46pm

I don't like the call.

JRutledge Wed Sep 10, 2008 04:56pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawkeyeCubP
I don't like the call.

At all.

Peace

Welpe Wed Sep 10, 2008 04:56pm

I don't really care for it either. It doesn't seem the runner was actually assisted forward all that much, even though there is contact from the back behind him.

JugglingReferee Wed Sep 10, 2008 05:00pm

I believe that #44 didn't really assist #11 at all. Yes, his hands were likely on 11's back, but 11's legs were working and nothing in 11's body movement gave evidence that 44 pushed him. I think the O-line did their work, allowing 11 to get the first down.

No flag.

rngrck Wed Sep 10, 2008 05:03pm

I go with the white hat on this one.

SC Ump Wed Sep 10, 2008 05:09pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Welpe
...assisted forward all that much...

I probably would not have called it but have no objection to it being called. From the R position, it might be tough to tell what was actual line surge vs. the obvious attempt to assist the runner.

Mike L Wed Sep 10, 2008 05:37pm

Only time I've ever seen assisting the runner called the fullback grabbed the QB and literally threw him into the EZ, kinda Olympic hammer throw style.

On this play, you've got to be kidding.

tjones1 Wed Sep 10, 2008 06:07pm

Again, I've got nothing.

Ed Hickland Wed Sep 10, 2008 06:51pm

Not worth the flag. cmathews mentioned what I would call the acid test, that is, physically grabbing the running and pulling him. Not here.

jeepinchad Thu Sep 11, 2008 10:24am

Nothing from me. Only time I call is if a player picks another player up, or grabs the player and literally pulls him out of a pile.

parepat Thu Sep 11, 2008 04:50pm

This type of action occurs on 95% of all QB sneaks on the goal line. I would not call it.

PSU213 Thu Sep 11, 2008 04:55pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SC Ump
From the R position, it might be tough to tell what was actual line surge vs. the obvious attempt to assist the runner.

I am certainly not arguing with what the R saw, as from his vantage point the view may have been quite different than it was from the press box or end line. That having been said, I would not call helping the runner unless I saw, and was sure, that the back pushed, propelled, and provided momentum to the runner.

Jimmie24 Thu Sep 11, 2008 05:01pm

Let the wings call it. They can tell if the qb gained the advantage. Sure it looks like the back pushed him, but even so he fell to the left instead of continuing straight.


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