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Fri Dec 05, 2003, 01:01pm
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Recently, my friends and I were discussing football situations after watching the Monday Night Football game.
The topic of onside kicks came up and we ended up having a friendly argument. I couldn't find an answer anywhere else, so I thought I would ask some knowledgeble experts. The question was, on a onside kick situation, is it legal for the kicking team to recover an onside kick that was kicked high in the air without touching the ground or the opposing player and travels over 10 yards? We thought if this was legal, wouldn't it be easier for the kicking to kick it high in the air and the receiving team and the kicking team go at it like a jump ball instead of the traditional onside kick we're all familiar with. On a similar subject, we also had an argument if the receiving team can use the fair catch on Kick-offs? Anybody know? 
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Fri Dec 05, 2003, 01:44pm
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Recently, my friends and I were discussing football situations after watching the Monday Night Football game.
The topic of onside kicks came up and we ended up having a friendly argument. I couldn't find an answer anywhere else, so I thought I would ask some knowledgeble experts. The question was, on a onside kick situation, is it legal for the kicking team to recover an onside kick that was kicked high in the air without touching the ground or the opposing player and travels over 10 yards? I'm not totally up on NFL rules but in High School the ball must travel 10 yards and touch the ground (in either order) before the kicking team can recover. We thought if this was legal, wouldn't it be easier for the kicking to kick it high in the air and the receiving team and the kicking team go at it like a jump ball instead of the traditional onside kick we're all familiar with. You'd have to pray the ball tipped off a receiver first before you recovered. On a similar subject, we also had an argument if the receiving team can use the fair catch on Kick-offs? Anybody know? In High School they can. This is why they kick the ball down into the ground and pop it up- the receivers can no longer call fair catch and the requirement that the ball hit the ground before the kickers recover is met. I believe NFL rules for this are very similar- if not the same.
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Fri Dec 05, 2003, 01:52pm
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Andrew is right, the rules are the smae for NFL
If you watch an NFL onside kick what they try to do is kick the ball, making it hit the ground and go high in the air. And yes a faircatch may be used on a kick off.
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Mon Dec 08, 2003, 10:38pm
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It is interesting to note that the IND kick, Vanderjagt is a Canadian.
In Canada, the onside kick is always done that way because: - you cannot fair catch anything - thus, the ball, after going 10yds is essentially fumble - and, in Canada, the last team to touch a loose ball before going out of bounds is the one to get it. This results in volleyball style short kicks, where they pop it up and then try to bat it out of bounds before the other team. Strange indeed. Also, at times, I have seen where they line up to pop it up short, but then pop it 15-18 yards deep. As all the R players move up, a K player streaks by and then catches the ball on the dead run for a TD. Canada, home of free health care, cold winters and crazy *** football rules.
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Wed Dec 10, 2003, 09:13pm
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Yes, indeed: strage football rules.
Football rules as we know them today originated from the Canadian game, morphed from rugby in the 1850's. Montreal played Harvard after Harvard didn't like the was the game was developing in the US. They brought the game back, twisted a few rules and US football went from there. The old US rule set was discarded after a short period of time. For me, having 4 downs is strange, as is a field less than 65 yards wide.  Quote:
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Wed Dec 10, 2003, 09:27pm
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How many downs do you guys have? And how long is the field?
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Wed Dec 10, 2003, 09:43pm
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The field of play is 110y by 65y, with 20y end zones. The uprights are on the goal line and both rulebooks in Canada (there are only 2) use 3 downs. We also use 12 players.
Some leagues use 4 downs if they feel that is benefits them, such as a house league program where kids might not play in rep leagues. The signals are a bit different but the principles are the same. In addition, penalty application is different. Three down football is amazing! Visit http://www.13thman.com some day! Regards, Mike
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Mon Dec 15, 2003, 01:54pm
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American Football was not developed as an offshoot of the Canadian version, by Harvard. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
Yes, it was derived from Rugby, but limiting participation to 11 players per side and the basic codification of rules was done in the 1880's by Yale's Walter Camp. Harvard did influence the 160 ft. width of an American Football field, as that was what fit within their original playing area. Regarding fair catches on kickoffs, in a Pats/Ind. Colts game in the early-mid 1980's, at the end of the first half, the Colts did a short pooch kickoff to aviad a big return, which the Pats up-lineman fair caught. Tony Frankiln then missed a long 60+ yard fair catch, free kick FG attempt. I've never seen another one attempted after a K.O. And don't forget that a period can be extended by one play to attempt the fair catch kick.
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Fri Apr 04, 2008, 03:40pm
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