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KurtBryan Wed Jan 30, 2008 03:05pm

New Offensive Idea Shared with us...Is It Legal?
 
Dear Officials:

We have been discussing some very good new offensive concepts with various coaches nationwide - not just about our offense but their great ideas too, etc.

* I have a question for Officials - there is a coach who is going to run his offense like this predominantly...

A. Virtually every play after the ball is snapped, either 2, 3, or 4 offensive players will Group close together in the backfield, in the middle, to the left or to the right.

B. After they Group, one of the ballcarriers will Pop Out with the football, and every other player will Pretend he has the ball, etc.

C. Then they will either continue faking, or execute reverses, pitches and/or pass or run with the actual football.

Are there any rules against that on each play?

It is intriguing and when told to me, it gives a coach some excellent ideas.

KB

www.A11Offense.com

daggo66 Wed Jan 30, 2008 03:08pm

There is nothing illegal against it. There is nothing new about it either. Have you ever heard of the single wing? We had a team here a few years ago that ran it exclusively.

Mike L Wed Jan 30, 2008 03:59pm

Trick plays all the time. Yeah, that'll work. Every time I get a team that likes to run all sorts of trick plays what I end up seeing is a team that can't block, can't tackle, and has little concept about what they are trying to achieve. I hate to throw cold-water on the plans, but it's what my few years of experience has shown me.

ljudge Fri Feb 01, 2008 08:33am

Hey Kurt, I never saw this one before. But on thing I have seen is teams doing this on kickoff returns of balls kicked deep. There's nothing illegal about that either.

goldenwings68 Fri Feb 01, 2008 09:43am

geez!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:

GarthB Sat Feb 02, 2008 02:55pm

Everything you've presented on this board you label as "new". I'm just guessing here, but are like 12 years old when everything you learn about you figure must be new?

RoyGardner Sat Feb 02, 2008 07:06pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by KurtBryan
Dear Officials:

A. Virtually every play after the ball is snapped, either 2, 3, or 4 offensive players will Group close together in the backfield, in the middle, to the left or to the right.

B. After they Group, one of the ballcarriers will Pop Out with the football, and every other player will Pretend he has the ball, etc.

C. Then they will either continue faking, or execute reverses, pitches and/or pass or run with the actual football.

I think someone's been illegally videotaping our local Pop Warner Mites!

Ed Hickland Mon Feb 04, 2008 03:00pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoyGardner
I think someone's been illegally videotaping our local Pop Warner Mites!

Must have been those guys from New England...understand they are out of work.

jaybird Mon Feb 04, 2008 03:40pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Hickland
Must have been those guys from New England...understand they are out of work.

Looks like they were filming the wrong New York team!

tiger49 Mon Feb 18, 2008 08:28pm

This would be a new concept in the US....unlimited motion :eek:

I know it is illegal down there but not in Canada. Maybe one day we will see the change as it would open up the game and stop DBs from grabbing and holding a reciever at the line.

JugglingReferee Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:04am

Quote:

Originally Posted by tiger49
This would be a new concept in the US....unlimited motion :eek:

I know it is illegal down there but not in Canada. Maybe one day we will see the change as it would open up the game and stop DBs from grabbing and holding a reciever at the line.

Our motion philosophy even extends to eligibles hitting the line at the snap. Even if they block out the view of the ball for the wings, they are still onside.

cos_man99 Tue Feb 26, 2008 09:56pm

could be illegal forward handoff on free kick
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ljudge
Hey Kurt, I never saw this one before. But on thing I have seen is teams doing this on kickoff returns of balls kicked deep. There's nothing illegal about that either.

Hey Ljudge, you say there is nothing illegal about this on free kick plays. However, if I undertand the original post correctly it is a bunch of players in a "huddle" during the live ball play. If the ball is being handed around in there or even from one player to another everything is fine on a scrimmage down as long as all this occurs behind LOS. However on upon receiving a free kick R may only hand off backwards. So if the ball is handed forward inside this "huddle" it would be an illegal forward handoff.


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