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HLin NC Sun Jan 06, 2008 01:05am

Umpire Quirk
 
After reading up on his grabbing and wrestling a Packer to the ground and losing a game check, I note he's in the Steeler-Jaguar game tonite.

He certainly is very active as an umpire-he jumps into every situation and he was still using his hands a lot. He's also very animated, much more so than any other NFL official I've observed.

I guess its ok with his bosses.

Texas Aggie Sun Jan 06, 2008 01:10am

If he's working a playoff game, it makes me wonder if they really did fine him or if they just said they did. Or, if his playoff game check will be more than everyone else's!!

GarthB Sun Jan 06, 2008 01:19am

I've observed Quirk throughout the year and noticed that he's on his whistle more in one series of downs than most other umpires do in half a season. game. He appears to have happy feet and he picks his own spot, ignoring his sidemen, more often than any other umpire.

I'm amazed he's thought of so highly that he gets playoff games.

Snake~eyes Sun Jan 06, 2008 01:21am

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Originally Posted by GarthB
I've observed Quirk throughout the year and noticed that he's on his whistle more in one series of downs than most other umpires do in half a season. game. He appears to have happy feet and he picks his own spot, ignoring his sidemen, more often than any other umpire.

I'm amazed he's thought of so highly that he gets playoff games.

He get's his plays right. Whistles/happyfeet/etc. is insignificant.

GarthB Mon Jan 07, 2008 02:47am

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Originally Posted by Snake~eyes
Whistles/happyfeet/etc. is insignificant.

More so on the downside of a career than at the beginning of a career.

I see the same thing in baseball. Some of the older MLB umpires have the worst mechanics in the game, but they get their calls right.

If the young bucks in the minors adopted what we see in the majors, they'd be released.

Ed Hickland Mon Jan 07, 2008 09:57am

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Originally Posted by HLin NC
After reading up on his grabbing and wrestling a Packer to the ground and losing a game check, I note he's in the Steeler-Jaguar game tonite.

He certainly is very active as an umpire-he jumps into every situation and he was still using his hands a lot. He's also very animated, much more so than any other NFL official I've observed.

I guess its ok with his bosses.

Can't help but think this is the model for umpires at all levels, of course, minus the takedowns.

Quirk is constantly moving toward the play with dispatch. He got knocked over in the playoff game and was immediately up and on the ball. He talks to the players. He is just in the game.

I have always thought the umpire should be the best athlete on the crew.

OverAndBack Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:21am

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Originally Posted by Texas Aggie
If he's working a playoff game, it makes me wonder if they really did fine him or if they just said they did. Or, if his playoff game check will be more than everyone else's!!

Maybe he gave up his last regular-season game check and that was the only punishment.

GarthB Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:41am

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Originally Posted by Ed Hickland
Can't help but think this is the model for umpires at all levels, of course, minus the takedowns.

Quirk is constantly moving toward the play with dispatch. He got knocked over in the playoff game and was immediately up and on the ball. He talks to the players. He is just in the game.

I'm sorry to disagree.

I've seen other NFL umpires who are in the game, move to the play and perform their duties without having to constantly command the viewers attention. There is such as thing as "over hustle" and Quirk does it. He is constantly moving, all right, even when he doesn't have to be. Much of his talking with the players isn't pleasant or necessary.

I think it is telling pf his attitude that he thinks he did nothing wrong when he got fined.

From the officials I know, I hear that he is neither a player favorite nor a crew favorite.

Rich Tue Jan 08, 2008 01:22am

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Originally Posted by GarthB
I'm sorry to disagree.

I've seen other NFL umpires who are in the game, move to the play and perform their duties without having to constantly command the viewers attention. There is such as thing as "over hustle" and Quirk does it. He is constantly moving, all right, even when he doesn't have to be. Much of his talking with the players isn't pleasant or necessary.

I think it is telling pf his attitude that he thinks he did nothing wrong when he got fined.

From the officials I know, I hear that he is neither a player favorite nor a crew favorite.

And yet he's 66 and still working. He must be a Pereira favorite.

GarthB Tue Jan 08, 2008 01:34am

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Originally Posted by RichMSN
And yet he's 66 and still working. He must be a Pereira favorite.

Not necessarily. He was inherited.

HLin NC Tue Jan 08, 2008 06:41am

That was the impression I came away with- overly aggressive, always in the view of the t.v camera too. Used his whistle more than any U I've ever seen.
In the game following, that U was unobtrusive.

TimGav Fri Jan 11, 2008 08:34pm

Overly aggressive? He's the pit boss of 300 lb behemoths!

Quirk sets the tempo of the game, out hustles most wing guys, DEMANDS the respect of the guys in the trenches and contrary to other postings is highly regarded, at least in the NCAA circles as a model umpire and teacher of the position.

When discussing where the area of responsibility for the umpire ended (e.g. to the numbers, to the hash ) he responded, "at the track".

Bob M. Mon Jan 14, 2008 09:54am

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Originally Posted by TimGav
Overly aggressive? He's the pit boss of 300 lb behemoths!

Quirk sets the tempo of the game, out hustles most wing guys, DEMANDS the respect of the guys in the trenches and contrary to other postings is highly regarded, at least in the NCAA circles as a model umpire and teacher of the position.

When discussing where the area of responsibility for the umpire ended (e.g. to the numbers, to the hash ) he responded, "at the track".

REPLY: TimGav...where have you been? It's been a long time.

GarthB Tue Jan 15, 2008 12:08am

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Originally Posted by TimGav
Overly aggressive? He's the pit boss of 300 lb behemoths!

Quirk sets the tempo of the game, out hustles most wing guys, DEMANDS the respect of the guys in the trenches and contrary to other postings is highly regarded, at least in the NCAA circles as a model umpire and teacher of the position.

When discussing where the area of responsibility for the umpire ended (e.g. to the numbers, to the hash ) he responded, "at the track".

I guess the point some of us make is that others do as fine a job as Quirk without the hoopla.

James Neil Wed Jan 16, 2008 01:10am

I haven't seen too much of Qurks" mechanics. I like watching Chad Brown work the Umpire position. I like to go by what my base ball association President tells us "NEVER, NEVER CRITICIZE ANOTHER OFFICIAL , NEVER!"

TimGav Mon Jan 21, 2008 06:05pm

maybe next year
 
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Originally Posted by Bob M.
REPLY: TimGav...where have you been? It's been a long time.


Hey Bob M

Still actively "inactive". Started a new firm then went to grad school, then brought a shore house, then, then, then..... Done with school in May, thinking of making a comeback next year. Need a re-tread on your crew?

Tim

Bob M. Wed Jan 23, 2008 03:28pm

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Originally Posted by TimGav
Hey Bob M

Still actively "inactive". Started a new firm then went to grad school, then brought a shore house, then, then, then..... Done with school in May, thinking of making a comeback next year. Need a re-tread on your crew?

Tim

Give me a call...you got the right person at the right time.

waltjp Wed Jan 23, 2008 03:32pm

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Originally Posted by Bob M.
Give me a call...you got the right person at the right time.

Sure. I ask and you don't know anyone. Hmph!

goldenwings68 Mon Jan 28, 2008 09:27am

It amazes me to see here on this board, officials talking down about an official who is working games at the highest level and getting play-off games at that level.

Those that assign those games must know a great deal more about this guy than any of us and yet, several here are putting the guy down---

Sounds just like fans who bad-mouth most of us.

HLin NC Mon Jan 28, 2008 09:50am

Haven't seen anybody "downing" the man. Seems a bit of an over-reaction on your part.

Looking at it objectively- no other NFL umpire I've seen grabs and pulls and shoves like this guy. He lost a game check over it so apparently at some point even he went over the line.

I've done my job for 18 years and feel pretty good about my work. That still doesn't mean I don't get critiqued by my boss and the public.

goldenwings68 Mon Jan 28, 2008 10:35am

Hlin--

You and I are not in a position to critic this man---we neither officiate at that level, nor are we privy to what they accept and don't accept and the fact remains he is still activiely getting game assignments, thus, the powers that be are happy with the end results of this man---getting the job done and making proper calls.

I have officiated for 22 years, in youth, high school and semi-pro/minor league ball and I've had several officials that had some questionable mechanics, but I damn sure wanted them on the field with me in any league at any level and I've had guys that were mechanically very sound but poor in calling or not calling fouls.

James Neil Mon Jan 28, 2008 07:48pm

Like I said

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Originally Posted by James Neil
"NEVER, NEVER CRITICIZE ANOTHER OFFICIAL , NEVER!"

:mad:

GarthB Tue Jan 29, 2008 09:37pm

"Never say never."

There will always come a time to critique and, yes, even criticize. Failure to accept that will only guarantee mediocrity.

James Neil Wed Jan 30, 2008 05:53pm

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Originally Posted by GarthB
"Never say never."

There will always come a time to critique and, yes, even criticize. Failure to accept that will only guarantee mediocrity.

you are right GB, but there is a time and place for this to be done. I just don't see much good coming from bashing or criticizeing another official here.


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