Gaylord Bowl
 

With about 2:00 min in the half Kentucky throws a pick and the Florida State player made a tuck and roll leap into the EZ with NO ONE around him. I was glad that he was flagged for this. Also then another player threw the referee's flag -- (NFL Ravens a couple of weeks ago) That player was flagged also, We must STOP all this stuff early in the 2008 season. :)

Who and where was this crew from?

Heh...Can't believe Florida State's JV squad made a game of it.

What exactly is wrong with diving into the end zone or, even, doing a back flip? I can see flagging taunting, excessive celebration, and making a spectacle of yourself after the play......but diving into the end zone?

I remember seeing Hawaii getting flagged for doing the same thing vs. Boise State. Idiocy.

It'll stop once the first guy lands on his head and gets a concussion.

The one that blows my mind is where the replay booth reversed the call on the field and gave FSU a TD to make the score 35-27. The announcers were adamant that this should in NO WAY be reversed.

I'm looking at the first replay going, "foot down, possession, why in the #e!! isn't this a TD?" All the announcer could prattle on about was how it was tipped by a UK player, like THAT had anything to do with the call.

You are so fond of quoting the rulebook there Grasshopper, take a look at 9-2-1-a-1-e and see if your question is not answered for you.

Yup. This is cause for watching some games with the sound muted!

A Big East crew worked the game and did an excellent job. I mentioned on another forum how they nailed this call. The player was clearly unopposed when he made the flip which is spelled out in the rule book.

And on another call the talking heads didn't like McGinn's intentional grounding call either at the 11:07 mark in the 2nd quarter. Another excellent call in the game. The QB scrambled quite a bit on this play but he never got outside of the guard, let alone the tackle. And, they argued there was a receiver "in the area." What they didn't understand was the player had absolutely, positively no reasonable opportunity to catch the pass which is also part of the criteria for calling grounding.

Two very nice calls in this game (in addition to the many others).

The crew did a good job except they talked to Bobby B way tooooo much. The Fla team did not miss much with the players that were on the grass they played a hell of a game and this should give them a good start for next year once they get rid of all the cheaters.

***Are you saying this to mean there should be different treatment when a player is making a spectacle of himself before the play is over versus waiting to make a spectacle of himself until after the play is over?

Because that is a type of taunt -- not directed at an individual, but a way of rubbing it in. I blame Johnny Rodgers for starting that by backing his way into the end zone.

Robert

I think it should be treated differently -- that certain kinds of spectacle once the ball is dead are USC to me if done while the ball is still live. For instance, holding the ball up & waving it before scoring is much more of a tease than is holding it up & waving after scoring.

Robert

So "nyah nyah, I'm gonna score on you" is that much worse than "nyah nyah I scored on you?" Interesting.

If they want it out so bad, just make it a rule they have to go straight to the nearest ref and hand the ball to him with no celebration at all.

I wasn't watching this game, but I did see it replayed on SportsCenter, along with the post game commentary by Bowden. Of course he didn't like the call.

I was also glad to see that in the Rose Bowl, a USC receiver did the same thing as he scored their 2nd TD of the game, and it also drew a flag from the covering official.

We had a situation in a high school game this season. Last game of the regular season. Kid gets an unsportsman like early in the game for some extracurricular activity OOB after a play had ended. Later in the game, he breaks loose on a run for about 40 yds and does the flip into the endzone. Our BJ and HL both threw flags on it. Kid ends up ejected, and also misses their first round playoff game the following weekend.

I do not quite agree with that. The ball was dead after a score, I do not see any problem with the officials explaining why this was called.

Also it appeared the Bobby B's claim was that this has not been called very much. Well for one you have a different set of officials calling the game then he likely saw most of the year (unless they played a Big East School at some point during the year). And I have seen this called many times when appropriate and sometimes when it is not appropriate. And there is nothing wrong with diving into the end zone when someone is chasing you or when you are trying to clearly avoid a tackle. Talking to Bobby B at that time made sense if he was claiming this had not been called before. We just saw a day later this was called.

Peace

Dive with someone around you to get in the EZ, fine. Dive with no one within 5 yards or so, flag. Flip anytime, unless to jump over a pile or someone, USC everytime.

Every time? I am not so sure about that. That is always going to be a judgment call.

Peace

Yes. You just have to imagine yourself in an opponent's place. Hard to convey the psychology. More accurately, it's, "Nyah, I'm gonna score on you. Or maybe I won't. Yes, I think I will." The other one is, "In case you didn't notice, I scored on you."

Robert

But when would the flip, without going over a defender, not be just for show? I agree it is a judgment, but I don't see when my judgment wouldn't be to flag a flip if not over a defender.

I would love to see the rule changed to make this foul happen the moment the player left the ground, before the touchdown and take away the score, that would nip it in the bud wouldn't it!

Excellent idea. They stop at the 1 foot line to do the flip, so now we're going back 15 yards from there and starting over. BRILLIANT!!!

I would rather just give the defense the option of enforcement on the kickoff or on the try.

No. I always hate the idea of a non-tactical foul's being penalized tactically. If there were some other way to punish USC, such as spanking, that wouldn't affect the game, that'd be preferable. As long as yardage is going to be the penalty, it should bear as little cx as possible to the tactical situation, because so did the foul. What sense does it make to try to determine the spot of the foul for a foul that has nothing to do with place on the field? Why should doing a flip on the 1 foot line result in any different spot from doing it on the 10 yard line? What if someone commits USC in the coach's box close to the 50 yard line, 40 yards behind the end of the run?

At one time certain distance penalties caused the line-to-gain to move so that the distance to gain remained the same. I think USC should go back to that kind of enforcement.

Robert

I wasn't exactly serious. But I do seriously despise these showboating tactics in the endzone and would love to see something more than just a 15 yard penalty on either the try or the kickoff. I remember watching the Rose Bowl game and almost every touchdown had a 15 yard penalty following it and Pete Carroll couldn't care less. Maybe something like Fed basketball, where dead ball usc fouls are indirectly charged to the coach and after 3 he leaves the game. Not exactly serious, just venting about how much I dislike flipping and all other end zone celebrations.