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LouisianaDave Wed Sep 19, 2007 12:40pm

Assaulting an official
 
Last weekend while leaving the 9/10yr football games me and my crew were leaving to go home. As usual there were some parents who were giving us crap about how we officiated the games. I had some words with a parent and then he punched me in the eye. After the initial shock, one of the coaches got him away from me, and i proceeded to leave the area and went to the police station to file a report and once that is done, I will be able to press charges. According to Louisiana this is a felony.

This is just a warning to everyone that violence against us officials is still alive and well especially when children are involved and to be careful out there.

MD Longhorn Wed Sep 19, 2007 12:43pm

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Originally Posted by LouisianaDave
Last weekend while leaving the 9/10yr football games me and my crew were leaving to go home. As usual there were some parents who were giving us crap about how we officiated the games. I had some words with a parent and then he punched me in the eye. After the initial shock, one of the coaches got him away from me, and i proceeded to leave the area and went to the police station to file a report and once that is done, I will be able to press charges. According to Louisiana this is a felony.

This is just a warning to everyone that violence against us officials is still alive and well especially when children are involved and to be careful out there.

It's also a warning to yourself and others that we have no business "having some words" with a parent after a game AT ALL. I even shy away from seemingly well-meaning handshake offers. You should make every effort not to depart alone or at the same time as the crowd is departing, and SURELY never engage a distressed fan/parent with even a single word.

waltjp Wed Sep 19, 2007 01:19pm

Another reason why we try to park away from everyone else close to each other. Never leave the field alone and don't leave any of your fellow officials behind. Safety in numbers. (Not to mention witnesses.)

w_sohl Wed Sep 19, 2007 02:15pm

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Originally Posted by LouisianaDave
Last weekend while leaving the 9/10yr football games me and my crew were leaving to go home. As usual there were some parents who were giving us crap about how we officiated the games. I had some words with a parent and then he punched me in the eye. After the initial shock, one of the coaches got him away from me, and i proceeded to leave the area and went to the police station to file a report and once that is done, I will be able to press charges. According to Louisiana this is a felony.

This is just a warning to everyone that violence against us officials is still alive and well especially when children are involved and to be careful out there.

Nothing will happen to this guy becasue you "had some words". His attorney wil say he was provoked. He may have to pay some medical and maybe some community service, but it will not be anything that goes on his record. Slap on the wrist. Let him follow you to your car next time and don't say anything other than you are ready to call the police.

GPC2 Wed Sep 19, 2007 02:55pm

mbcrowder,

I couldn't agree with you more. Louisiana Dave, as bad as I feel for you I really think that the best thing to do is to just immediately leave the game area and ignore any and all comments/words you hear. I am certainly not saying that it is your fault (and maybe the guy would have assaulted you anyway for all we know), but I definitely agree with mbcrowder - the best thing to do after a game is to immediately get in your car and go home and certainly not engage in any discussion with fans about the game.

JugglingReferee Wed Sep 19, 2007 03:14pm

I had a pop warner coach approach me 2 years ago, after a game, and while walking to the parking lot.

Me reply to him was, "Coach, do I need to phone the police"? He shut up and walked away. :D

I agree with the others: leave with your comrades and have witnesses!

Ref inSoCA Wed Sep 19, 2007 07:24pm

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Originally Posted by LouisianaDave
Last weekend while leaving the 9/10yr football games me and my crew were leaving to go home. As usual there were some parents who were giving us crap about how we officiated the games. I had some words with a parent and then he punched me in the eye. After the initial shock, one of the coaches got him away from me, and i proceeded to leave the area and went to the police station to file a report and once that is done, I will be able to press charges. According to Louisiana this is a felony.

This is just a warning to everyone that violence against us officials is still alive and well especially when children are involved and to be careful out there.

Why in the world would you "have some words" with somebody like this?

You walk by these idiots and don't open your mouth.

TXMike Wed Sep 19, 2007 08:55pm

"Having words" ?!?!?!?! NOTHING can be gained by that. Like the saying goes...you can't have an argument if only 1 person is talking. Keep your mouth shut and get out of Dodge.

LouisianaDave Wed Sep 19, 2007 09:13pm

I do agree with all of you, and it was wrong to say anything, it is also wrong for a parent to do what he did.

TXMike Wed Sep 19, 2007 09:17pm

What you did was wrong. What the parent (and I use that term loosely) did was CRIMINAL.

LouisianaDave Wed Sep 19, 2007 09:22pm

Well we will see just how criminal the state of Louisiana thinks it is.

JugglingReferee Wed Sep 19, 2007 10:31pm

Definitely keep us updated!

Rich Thu Sep 20, 2007 09:11am

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Originally Posted by LouisianaDave
Well we will see just how criminal the state of Louisiana thinks it is.

Having words with someone could simply be Dave telling the jerk to get out of his face. Unless we know what words were said, there's no way we can judge.

MD Longhorn Thu Sep 20, 2007 09:38am

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Originally Posted by LouisianaDave
Well we will see just how criminal the state of Louisiana thinks it is.

Sounds like you're getting belligerent with us. Not sure why - we're on your side. But several of us recommended that you (in the future) or other readers do their best to avoid this situation by leaving in a group, and entirely ignoring these morons. Sometimes that's difficult ... but "having words" with him could turn out to be part of the reason he gets away with this. I hope he doesn't. But they may find you instigating things a bit. We don't have carte blanche to say whatever we want to fans as we leave, so without knowing what you said, we don't know how your courts will react to it.

I'd limit it to, "Sir, if you don't stop, I'll have to call the police." or somesuch.

TXMike Thu Sep 20, 2007 09:56am

Unless the person is physically blocking your movement or is brandishing some sort of weapon (or potential weapon) , no need to even "threaten" calling the police. Just get out of Dodge. Let them scream and holler all they want. If they are cussing and others want to call the police to report his disorderly conduct, let them do it. If you call then you are going to have to stick around and that may cause more troubloe than it is worth.

LouisianaDave Thu Sep 20, 2007 06:17pm

No, I wasnt being belligerent at all, I appreciate all that was said. I know you guys are on my side, I was stating a situation that happened.

I prob should have been more specific about what happened. In a nutshell As we were leaving there were fans at the gate, they were telling us we officiated horrible, i said no you guys played horrible(mistake on my part) then as im walking to my car, this parent comes running up to me asking what i said, repeated what i said(again dumb on my part) and then he hit me.

As of today charges have been filed, and I was told by the police that he may try and file charges against me for disturbing the peace.

JugglingReferee Thu Sep 20, 2007 07:28pm

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Originally Posted by TXMike
Unless the person is physically blocking your movement or is brandishing some sort of weapon (or potential weapon), no need to even "threaten" calling the police. Just get out of Dodge. Let them scream and holler all they want. If they are cussing and others want to call the police to report his disorderly conduct, let them do it. If you call then you are going to have to stick around and that may cause more trouble than it is worth.

Sorry, gotta say that this is bad advice. If a person threatens you, it certainly is justification to threaten to phone the police, or to actually phone the police.

It's called preventative citizenship. ;)

Tom.OH Thu Sep 20, 2007 09:30pm

I never talk to any "fans" after a game unless they want to talk about the weather or how well the kids played.
I have seen this posted on one (maybe more) boards that "silence can never be mis-quoted".

Texas Aggie Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:16pm

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Nothing will happen to this guy becasue you "had some words". His attorney wil say he was provoked.
His attorney isn't going to say that unless he's a complete idiot. There's no state I'm aware of that allows words only to be a provocation for physical action.

I don't know why people make this stuff up and assume the worst. These things almost always get plead out since there isn't a defense and there was witnesses.

You also need to go to small claims court and file a civil suit against him for assault and/or battery. He almost certainly has liability insurance and you can get some money out of it. If you want to give it to charity, that's fine, but you need to go through the process. People like this need to be dealt with harshly.

Don't forget folks: you CAN defend yourself. Don't sit there and be a punching bag. Learn how to kick to the groin and grab an elbow.

TXMike Sat Sep 22, 2007 05:28am

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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee
Sorry, gotta say that this is bad advice. If a person threatens you, it certainly is justification to threaten to phone the police, or to actually phone the police.

It's called preventative citizenship. ;)

Call all you want once you are in the car and on your way out of there. That is called preventative self-defense.

Sonofanump Sat Sep 22, 2007 09:51pm

Not Covered
 
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Originally Posted by Texas Aggie
He almost certainly has liability insurance and you can get some money out of it.


Not covered under homeowner liability insurance, excluded since intentional act.

JugglingReferee Sat Sep 22, 2007 10:15pm

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Originally Posted by TXMike
Call all you want once you are in the car and on your way out of there. That is called preventative self-defense.

Yup! Call the police.


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