Help from anyone especialy Ohio
 

3 guys at breakfast...

1st guy says,,, if a game is suspended until the next day, the OFFICIALS, MUST take the GAME TAPES with them...

2nd guy says NO... But the AD's must get the tapes and hold on to them.

3rd guy says.. It dosen't matter .... its not a rule that the game officials have to deal with..


Ive been thru the books I cant find a thing BUT I can swear Ive read about this situation somewhere...

Much like the headsets aren't working
 

question, game tapes are not a thing that a field official has any concern over unless its some local Ohio thing.

You won't find anything in the NFHS books. No such ruling exists.

Urban Legend?
 

From Ohio and have always heard that we take the game films, but have never run acrossed it.

i am from ohio and we do take the game tapes with us if the game is suspended. it actually happened about 5 or 6 years ago when rain and lighting hit hard in the 3rd quarter, the game was suspended and the referee took home the game tapes.

And what did he do with them?

he brought them back the next day when the game was continued.

http://www.ohsaa.org/sports/ft/boys/manual.pdf

Here is the pre-season Officials and Coaches manual from OHSAA. There is a section on suspended games and nothing about the game tapes. There is a section about game films and nothing about suspended games. I really don't think that is a rule but I will contact an OHSAA official.

Whoever that third guy you mentioned is give him a pat on the back.

It has never been a requirement that officials take the game tape on suspended games. No rule, no bylaw, no written procedure.

There is a reason there is no written procedure. Coaches are honor bound not to use the game films while the contest is being played.

So, I have a question to those who feel it is their duty to be the tape police.

Do you take the tape at halftime as well? If not, then where is the consistentcy in your logic?

The only concern is with those who think they are the tape police. Sorta similar to the ones who want to be the headset police.

Using their same logic, it would authorize the referee to shut down the concession stand on the home side because none exists on the visitor side and it is unfair they would have to walk farther to get a hotdog. Are there any officials who consider themselves the concession stand police here in Ohio?

Tony,

You are so right. None exist in any "Ohio" publication either.

Why officials get so power hungry and usurp authority they have never been given is beyond me. Their rationalizaton is, "we have always done it this way", "I heard we are supposed to do it this way" or they get so bold as to quote an authority who said so but will not provide concrete evidence to prove the authority ever said it. Some pretend to look for it but can not find it (like Old School), others know it is in their attic but too busy to find it:) , and even others are an authority unto themselves.

I could not get a response from Mr. Zaborniak or Mr. Dickerson.

I came across this several years ago when I served as a substitute official on a completed game. The members of the crew who returned from the night before informed me that they did not take the game tapes. They said both coaches asked about giving the game tapes but the referee said it was not his responsibility. The referee informed them there was a regulation prohibiting them from looking at or using the game tapes, but that was a game administration issue, not an officials issue. As a result, each coach gave their tapes to the opposing A.D. and the A.D.'s brought the tapes back the following day.

Why do they need to exchange game tapes at all? They are both taping THE SAME GAME.

If a coach is so unscrupulous that he would violate the rules and view HIS OWN game tape the he certainly will look at the OPPONENTS tape.

Same goes for Ad's, Principals, etc.

What if there are two tapes and they only turn over one?
What if they are taping directly to hard drive of computer (directly to DVD? Do you take their computer also?

These are all rhetorical questions but represent a scenario that could exist in fact. There is no foolproof way guarantee that a coach will not violate the rules and look at the tape other than a coach with the moral disposition who refuses to look and violate policy.

Daryl, We were asked to be the lockerroom police this week. A JV game and at half time the home coach told us to tell the visitors not to use the lockerroom (it was just a temp warming house for the ice sheet in the park) since the home team couldn't. I said, hey, that is not our jurisdiction. Amazing how we are viewed as the police for everything.

Wow, there are a lot of problems in Ohio I see.

Peace

The rule reference is 1-6-1:
Electronic communication equipment, other than an audio tape recording, including but not limited to computer, film, television and video tape or any type of still or moving pictures, shall not be used for coaching purposes during the game or between periods.

Since we are required to enforce the rules in the rule book, we are somewhat bound to enforce this. One way to do it is to take the game tapes during a suspended game. I see the point about a normal halftime period but I guess the difference is the amount of time available to do something with the tape.

We had a suspended game this year and we were asked by the visiting coach to take the tape because they had an issue the previous year. The home team AD had no issue with this so we asked for the tapes. One of the teams used a hard drive camera so they had to give us the entire camera. The other one was a very nice camera and the person who brought it didn't know how to get the tape out. One team had a second camera so I ended up taking home 3 very nice cameras. That was a little uncomfortable because I was responsible for a lot of high value equipment.

I see both sides of the argument and generally agree it is up to the honor of the coaches and game management but will ablige with administrators if they want us to be the keepers of the tapes.

That rule reference is a stretch. The rule does not directly account for a suspended game. Now if a state or area wants to have such an interpretation in place that is there right. But I do not see how the officials are supposed to be responsible for this rule. It is possible that someone could not hand over a tape to you and then what? I think sometimes we take certain rules too far. I know I do not care what tapes are around during a suspended game because there is no guarantee I will be back.

Peace

and if both teams have their own film it is not an advantage. They can both look at them and the outcome will not be changed by that one thing. Watching film does not win games.

Then why not let them use them during the game. Oh yeah, there is a rule prohibiting it! Apparently the federation believes it can affect the outcome. Apparently Bill Belichek does too.

I am an Ohio official. a couple years ago we were told NOT to worry about the tapes in this situation. I don't know if that was a result of a change in the policy or because there never was such a policy and guys were still doing it.

In our association in North East Ohio, we do not take tapes. Our policy is to have the principals or their rep. from each school handle it. What if the crew from the suspended game cannot return to finish the game? What good would it do to have the tapes?

OK, you take the "official" copies of the video from the observation booth...are you going to confiscate every other video camera on the premises as well? The senior student capturing posterity, the proud parent capturing their kid's great play...you create quite the situation, and no matter how hard you try, you won't get everyone's film.
Another thing...even if the coaches do not view the film, that doesn't mean that the players won't when they get home. But there is a equilizer to the madness; both teams will have a "fair" advantage. I'm not saying it's kosher with the rules, but one team won't be unfairly disadvantaged. From the many games I've been to, each team misjudges the other.
My advice, don't go looking for trouble. Call the game, write down the vitals, head to the locker rooms and come back the next day from where you stopped and have a great end of the game.

I am familiar with your "association". In my opinion it is filled with a bunch of has beens, never will bes and losers. Which category do you belong?