foul at end of half

[KWH]

The key to this discussion is "ONLY" live ball fouls have the opportunity for "ensuing kickoff enforcment"
All dead ball fouls are enforced on the succeeding spot (same as last year) and do not have the opportunity to be enforced on the "ensuing kickoff"

Here is my understanding of the 2007 8-2-2 scenarios and ruling:

If a live ball foul by B occurs on a TD and A elects to take the foul on the ensuing kickoff. Then, on the successful 2-point try a foul by B occurs the captain must chooses (10-2-4) which live ball foul will be enforced. If this scenario occurs with time remaining on the clock (in any period) we have no confusion.
However, if this scenario were to occur on the last play of any period the enforcement procedure will depend on which penalty the captain of A chooses. So;
If the captain chooses to have the penalty for the foul during the try enforced, the penalty is enforced on the "succeeding spot", which, if the foul occurred at the:
A)End of the 1st period, enforce on the succeeding spot which is kickoff to start the 2nd period. 3-3-3a, 8-2-2, 8-3-5b, 10-2-4
B)End of the 2nd period, enforce on the succeeding spot which is the second half kickoff. 3-3-3a, 8-2-2, 8-3-5b, 10-2-4
C) End of the 3rd period, enforce on the succeeding spot which is the kickoff to start the 4th period. 3-3-3a, 8-2-2, 8-3-5b, 10-2-4
D) End of the 4th period, enforce on the succeeding spot which is the start of overtime. 3-3-3a, 8-2-2, 8-3-5b, 10-2-4 AND, if overtime is not required the Game is over - no enforcment.

If however, in the above scenario the captain of A elects to have the penalty for the foul which occurred during the TD enforced:
A) If the foul occurs with time remaining on the clock in any period the penalty is enforced on the ensuing kickoff
B) If the penalty occurs during a TD when time expires during ANY period, the period 1, 2, 3 or 4 must (3-3-3a) be extended for an "untimed kickoff"

Consider Play 1:
A scores a TD on the last play of the 4th period to close the margin to B35 - A 30. During the TD, B commits a live ball facemask foul.
The captain of A elects to have the penalty enforced on the "ensuing kickoff"
RULING: Because the captain elected to have the penalty enforced on the ensuing kickoff, the period must be extended for an untimed kickoff after the completion of the try. 3-3-3a, 8-2-2, 8-3-5b, 10-2-4

Consider Play 2:
A scores a TD on the last play of the 4th period to tie the score B35 - A 35. During the TD, B commits a live ball facemask foul.
The captain of A elects to have the penalty enforced on the "ensuing kickoff". The 2-point try is successful making the score A37 - B35
RULING: Because the captain elected to have the penalty enforced on the ensuing kickoff, the period must be extended for an untimed kickoff after the completion of the try. 3-3-3a, 8-2-2, 8-3-5b, 10-2-4

Consider Play 3:
A scores a TD on the last play of the 4th period to make the score B35 - A 33. During the TD, B commits a live ball facemask foul.
The captain of A elects to have the penalty enforced on the "ensuing kickoff". The 2-point try is successful making the score A35 - B35, however Team B is flagged for live ball DPI during the successful try.
RULING: The capatin of A must choose:
A) If the captain elects to have the penalty for the foul during the TD enforced on the ensuing kickoff, the period must be extended for an untimed kickoff after the try. 3-3-3a, 8-2-2, 8-3-5b, 10-2-4
B) If, however, the captain of A elects to have the penalty for the foul that occurred during the try enforced on the succeeding spot, the overtime will begin with a penalty enforced against B. (8-3-5b)

2007 Football - A year to remember!

[andy1033]

If at the end of a period there is a foul on a field goal try and the field goal is good. and the peanlty is accepted the period is not extended. This is a timed down. So why is this ?

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by KWH

Consider Play 1:
A scores a TD on the last play of the 4th period to close the margin to B35 - A 30. During the TD, B commits a live ball facemask foul.
The captain of A elects to have the penalty enforced on the "ensuing kickoff"
RULING: Because the captain elected to have the penalty enforced on the ensuing kickoff, the period must be extended for an untimed kickoff after the completion of the try. 3-3-3a, 8-2-2, 8-3-5b, 10-2-4

This is consistent with the 2007 Canadian rulings.

Originally Posted by KWH

Consider Play 2:
A scores a TD on the last play of the 4th period to tie the score B35 - A 35. During the TD, B commits a live ball facemask foul.
The captain of A elects to have the penalty enforced on the "ensuing kickoff". The 2-point try is successful making the score A37 - B35
RULING: Because the captain elected to have the penalty enforced on the ensuing kickoff, the period must be extended for an untimed kickoff after the completion of the try. 3-3-3a, 8-2-2, 8-3-5b, 10-2-4

This is consistent with the 2007 Canadian rulings.

Originally Posted by KWH

Consider Play 3:
A scores a TD on the last play of the 4th period to make the score B35 - A 33. During the TD, B commits a live ball facemask foul.
The captain of A elects to have the penalty enforced on the "ensuing kickoff". The 2-point try is successful making the score A35 - B35, however Team B is flagged for live ball DPI during the successful try.
RULING: The capatin of A must choose:
A) If the captain elects to have the penalty for the foul during the TD enforced on the ensuing kickoff, the period must be extended for an untimed kickoff after the try. 3-3-3a, 8-2-2, 8-3-5b, 10-2-4
B) If, however, the captain of A elects to have the penalty for the foul that occurred during the try enforced on the succeeding spot, the overtime will begin with a penalty enforced against B. (8-3-5b)

CANADIAN RULING: The DPI foul is applied on the KO along with the penalty for face mask foul. Team A would likely score a rouge to win the game.

[KWH]

Originally Posted by andy1033

If at the end of a period there is a foul on a field goal try and the field goal is good. and the peanlty is accepted the period is not extended. This is a timed down. So why is this ?

Andy-
Let me take a stab at clarifying this for you.

Because...
8-4-3
If during a successful field goal, a foul by R occurs, K is given the choice of:
a) Accepting the penalty and replaying the down following enforcement; or
b) Accepting the result of the play and enforcement of the penalty from the succeeding spot.
and...
3-3-4a
A period shall not be extended by an untimed down if during the last timed down of the period, one of the following occurs:
a) When the defense fouls during a successful try/field goal and the offended team accepts the result of the play with enforcment of the penalty from the succeeding spot.

So...
If this foul occurs as time expires during any period and the offended captain chooses option "a" the period is extended for an untimed down as per rule 3-3-3a
Likewise...
If this foul occurs as time expires during any period and the offended captain chooses option "b" we enforce the penalty fromthe succeeding spotas per rule 3-3-4a

Furthermore...
If during a successful try, a foul by R occurs, K is given the choice of:
a) Accepting the penalty and replaying the down following enforcement; or
b) Accepting the result of the play and enforcement of the penalty from the succeeding spot.

So...
If this foul occurs during a try with no time remaining in any period and the offended captain chooses option "a" the period is extended for an untimed down as per rule 3-3-3a
Likewise...
If this foul occurs during a try with no time remaining in any period and the offended captain chooses option "b," the penalty is enforced from the succeeding spotas per rule 3-3-4a

Now for the new rule...
IF during a touchdown scoring play in which there is no change of possession, a foul by the opponents occurs, the scoring team may accept the results of the play and have the penalty enforced from the succeeding spot or may choose to have the foul enforced on the ensuing kickoff.

So...
If the offended captain chooses to have the penalty enforced on the try we follow succeeding spot enforcment procedures.
If, however the offended captain chooses to have the penalty enforced on the "ensuing kickoff" we shall extend the period for an untimed kickoff.

I hope this helps...

[andy1033]

Thanks KWH. I was just wondering why if a field goal is good and the team takes the peanlty on succeding spot with no extension of the period, It should be the same for a touchdown and team takes the peanlty on succeding spot with no extension as well. Just looking for a rule to be the same for both timed live ball fouls.

[KWH]

Originally Posted by andy1033

Thanks KWH. I was just wondering why if a field goal is good and the team takes the peanlty on succeding spot with no extension of the period, It should be the same for a touchdown and team takes the peanlty on succeding spot with no extension as well. Just looking for a rule to be the same for both timed live ball fouls.

Andy-
This is a new rule and it will be tweaked over the next few years.
However, Unfortunatly, by rule, what it should be, and what it is, are (currently), not one-in-the-same.

[yankeesfan]

what happens if there is a foul on the try after a score that ends A.) the 1st quarter or B.) the 2nd quarter. in other words, the same situation we have been talking about, but the penalty is on the try and not the touchdown and the period was ended on the score.

[andy1033]

The period is not extended.